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Best Values in Public Colleges 2009-10
Despite widespread budget cuts, these schools still deliver strong academics at affordable prices.
By Jane Bennett Clark, Senior Associate Editor
From Kiplinger's Personal Finance magazine, February 2010
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The economy may be recovering, but the effects of the recession continue to buffet the nation’s public colleges and universities. State governments, coping with shrunken tax revenues and an overwhelming demand for services, have cut funding for higher education. Universities that once relied on the income from fat endowments have yet to recoup multimillion-dollar losses to their portfolios. Families continue to apply for financial aid in record numbers. Meanwhile, enrollment at state institutions has spiked as more students go public and more people overall seek college degrees.
The schools in our top 100 best values in public colleges and universities -- led by the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill for overall value and by Binghamton University (SUNY) for out-of-state value -- continue to deliver strong academics at reasonable prices, in many cases by offering the same or more financial aid as in previous years. But no one can say that it has been easy.
To cope with less money and more students, public institutions, including many in our rankings, have slashed operating costs and raised tuition beyond the average increase of about five percentage points over inflation in recent years. The University of California system, caught in the downdraft of a state budget meltdown, imposed a midyear tuition hike of 15%, to be followed by another 15% increase in the summer, precipitating statewide protests. (Our rankings reflect tuition and fees, including midyear increases, as of December 1, 2009.)
With neither state nor college budgets able to turn on a dime, the immediate future for public higher education looks “difficult, challenging and messy,” says Daniel Hurley, of the American Association of State Colleges and Universities. Your student could end up in bigger classes with more part-time instructors -- or worse yet, get shut out of a public college altogether as states limit enrollment to control costs.
In the best-case scenario, however, colleges will find more and better ways to preserve quality and eliminate fat, perhaps ultimately reducing the size or frequency of tuition increases. Some universities, including UNC-Chapel Hill and the University of Maryland at College Park (number 8 in our rankings), are already doing just that. “There’s no reason we can’t conduct nonacademic functions as efficiently as possible,” says UNC chancellor Holden Thorp.
Last year, Thorp hired consultants Bain & Co. to help streamline operations, enabling the university to pare 10% in administrative expenses in anticipation of a state reduction in funding. “We insisted that the cuts be as far away from the classroom as we could get them,” says Thorp. In Maryland, the university system struck a bargain with state leaders in which school administrators pledged to cut costs in exchange for a steady flow of state funding. Result? In-state students enjoyed a tuition freeze for four consecutive years. (Read about Maryland’s fast climb to our top ten.)
Weighing quality and cost
Our definition of value begins with academics: No school is a bargain if it skimps on quality. All of the schools in our rankings perform well on measurable criteria, such as student-faculty ratios, academic competitiveness and on-time graduation rates. (For details on how we set the standards, see How We Rank the Schools.)
The schools on our list also deliver an affordable education, our other measure of value, by keeping the sticker price low, offering plenty of financial aid or both. Of the colleges in our rankings, 39 charge about the same or less than the average annual in-state sticker price ($15,213) for four-year public institutions, and many come in well below that amount. Those prices look especially attractive compared with the average cost of a private-school education, which this year hit an average total of $35,636, according to the College Board.
You can also find bargains in our rankings for out-of-state students, who typically pay at least twice the price to attend someone else’s home-state school. For example, Binghamton charges $26,075 a year to students who are not New York residents -- only one-third more than the in-state price. The school’s large number of international students and its dual-degree programs with universities in Mexico, Russia and Turkey give the term out of state new meaning; but Binghamton’s strong academics and affordable price attract interest from students across the U.S. as well. Says President Lois DeFleur, “With so many applications, we’ve become more selective. We’re taking the best.”
As for financial aid, the colleges on our list have managed to dig deep and dole out sufficient money to keep students coming. At UNC-Chapel Hill, an academic superstar that competes with the Ivies, the annual in-state cost for students with financial need comes to a dirt-cheap $5,912. The University of Virginia, another public Ivy (and number 3 on our list), and the New College of Florida (number 12), a tiny public honors school, charge students with need an average of less than $5,000.
Unlike many top-tier private universities, some of the high-ranked institutions on our list also offer non-need-based aid to encourage top achievers to enroll in-state. “One of our responsibilities as a land-grant institution is to keep the best and the brightest,” says Sarah Bauder, director of the office of student financial aid at the University of Maryland. UNC-Chapel Hill, which offers need-based and merit aid to both residents and nonresidents, uses 25% of the revenue from logo-bearing T-shirts and sports memorabilia to stoke its merit-scholarship fund. Tar Heel fans keep the money rolling in, says Shirley Ort, associate provost and director of scholarships and student aid. “Luckily for us, we won a basketball championship in 2009.”
UNC -- still the one
Chapel Hill, a consistent winner of Kiplinger’s top honors, maintains its lofty spot in our tables in part for its ability to attract and keep highflying students. Three-fourths or more of its incoming freshmen scored higher than 600 on both the verbal and math portions of their SATs, and almost all -- 96.5% -- stay on after freshman year. This year, Chapel Hill fielded more than 23,000 applications and admitted about 7,400, giving it a competitive 32% admission rate. Almost 20% of the admitted students were the first in their families to attend college.
Besides boasting top students, an outstanding faculty and a historic campus, Chapel Hill enjoys one big advantage over many other public schools: strong state support for financial aid. “Our aid money from the state has grown significantly over the past few years,” says Ort. Although funding was trimmed a bit in the current academic year, she says, “we were still in an improved spot over the previous year.” That support has enabled UNC to protect its financial-aid budget and to maintain its policy of minimizing or eliminating loans from the financial-aid packages for families with need.
Still, financial-aid applications at Chapel Hill jumped 17% this year over last year’s number, which rose 13% over the previous year. Despite the demand, UNC plans to meet the need of every student who walks through its doors, says Thorp. “We’re not going to back away from our traditions in financial aid.”
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Reader Comments (104)
Posted by: Lauren Wilder at 01/04/2010 01:59:51 PM
So where was the University of Arizona, Tucson. I've attended many schools across the country, some Ivy, some public. One of the least expensive, but toughest academically was the U of A. How did they fall off your metrics?
Posted by: jd at 01/04/2010 02:36:06 PM
Seems you have conveniently left out some states that I know have made it onto this list in the past. I am certain that at least one of them still has a very good university that should be on the list! Perhaps, since it appears schools in low population states seem to be left out, there is a built in prejudice. Some people would argue that small schools produce excellent results and your prejudice is unfair.
Posted by: Elmo at 01/04/2010 02:54:32 PM
I find it interesting that the University of Wyoming doesn't appear to have been even considered - while it is not the top performer in any category, it regularly does well academically, and the fact that out of state students are hard pushed to pay more than $15,000 a year (that includes room and board) - while instate students barely pay $13000, the fact that nothing is the best - but everything is good means that this is possibly the best value in any public school.
Posted by: Kevin at 01/04/2010 04:04:39 PM
Despite continued cuts in funding from New York State it is great to see that Geneseo is once again ranked in the top ten for In-state students and number two for Out-of-State students. Geneseo delivers a top notch education at a reasonable cost! Way to go GENESEO!!!
Posted by: Russell at 01/04/2010 04:58:44 PM
Where is UNC Charlotte in the rankings? North Carolina's premier urban reserach university, soon to be the largest student body, already the fastest growing, and less expensive than its more established counterparts, UNC Charlotte deserves a ranking.
Posted by: Dan at 01/05/2010 06:41:45 AM
Can you please tell me where any Kentucky Public Colleges ended up ranking in your analysis? I live in Kentucky and am concerned that none of the schools made your list, for example the University of Kentucky, University of Louisville, Murray State University, Western Kentucky University etc. Why did none of these colleges make the list ( graduation rates, debt, cost ?????) Thanks for the guidance!
Posted by: Ed Hammond at 01/05/2010 09:27:14 AM
Where are the Kansas institutions? The State is even missing from your All States list. Fort Hays State University has the lowest tuition, below $100 per credit hour, in the State and is seen as the States "Best Buy."
Posted by: Russell Potter at 01/05/2010 11:32:41 AM
I note that there are no Rhode Island schools as well -- add that to Kansas, Kentucky, and the rest. For parents who are residents in these states you have left out, this list of 100 can hardly be of much use, as they can't compare -- as your tool very helpfully allows -- any of these criteria when considering their own state's schools. Rather than an arbitrary number such as 100, I feel the pool should be expanded to include at least one school for each of the 50 states.
Posted by: Mike at 01/05/2010 12:33:04 PM
People wondering where schools like U of A, Kentucky, SUNY, and Wyoming are on this list....LOL
Posted by: KC at 01/05/2010 01:47:32 PM
Great to UNC at the top. Top notch college experience with education and sports. Beautiful campus and awesome college town atmosphere.
Posted by: C Kominski at 01/05/2010 02:51:37 PM
This survey is of only limited interest because it does not include the schools likely to be attended by the majority of students. For example, Texas has numerous public insitutions yet only three were included. Tennessee has at least seen or eight but only one is mentioned.
Posted by: Cliff at 01/05/2010 02:57:46 PM
UNC is well deserving of number one, particularly if you are an in state student where total annual cost including tuition, fees, room, books and board is $17,000. The entire UNC system is a top notch university system.
Posted by: TM at 01/05/2010 09:18:48 PM
I am thrilled to see SUNY Geneseo again in the top of the Kiplinger's Best Values for Public Colleges! With its outstanding academics, friendly and beyond brilliant faculty, and quaint college town atmosphere it is a great place to spend the memorable college years. I absolutely love it there.
Posted by: C. Lassen at 01/06/2010 10:48:09 AM
Is there some reason why the entire state of Idaho was excluded from this comparative exercise? Seems odd to imply this is a comprehensive comparison when whole states are omitted...
Posted by: ib wright at 01/06/2010 11:07:32 AM
i can't believe that ball state university isn't on this list. BALL U!
Posted by: Bee at 01/06/2010 11:36:35 AM
I'd love to see an explanation from the editors about why some states like Kentucky and Kansas seem to be entirely missing from the data.
Posted by: billy Hayes at 01/06/2010 12:24:16 PM
You did not list the University of Nevada at Reno which is the best deal available.
Posted by: Peggy Barott at 01/06/2010 03:55:40 PM
The University of Maryland has worked hard to cut costs so that tuition doesn't have to be raised through the roof! Now our state General Assembly is considering giving themselves pay raises! This - when state employees have not received cost of living pay increases for two years in a row and are being furloughed and laid off. I just hope these people have more of a collective conscience than the car companies and financial institutions who were bailed out and then gave their employees huge bonuses!
Posted by: Jane B. Clark at 01/06/2010 05:18:56 PM
Hi, I wrote the story that accompanies the Kiplinger public college rankings and would like to respond to a few of the comments posted above. As we note in “How We Rank the Schools,” (you'll find the link in the related links at the top of this article) we start with a list of over 500 public four-year institutions. To make sure we are comparing apples to apples, we do not include schools with narrow or special academic programs, such as the military service academies; several of the land-grant state schools at Cornell; or the senior colleges of City University of New York, which generally do not provide housing. We first sort the list according to academic criteria, such as student-faculty ratio, test scores of incoming freshmen and graduation rates. Using that information, we narrow the list from 500 to about 120. We then add cost data, including tuition, fees, room and board and financial aid and re-rank the institutions accordingly. It is this combination of academic quality and affordability—certainly not any desire on our part to exclude a particular school or state--that determines which schools make our top 100 for best value. We take pride in the objectivity of our rankings and in the variety of institutions the list reflects, from the University of Central Florida, with almost 43,000 undergraduates, to the University of North Carolina School of the Arts, with 765 undergrads. Our full rankings o the Web site (again, you'll find the link above) lets readers rank and sort the list according to their own criteria. We also compare this year’s data to last year’s. And you can vote for their own favorite public college. And take heart, we are looking to expand our rankings beyond the 100 top schools we can feature in the magazine. We'd like to or next year's rankings. Thanks for your comments.
Posted by: Dave at 01/07/2010 10:04:13 AM
I would like to suggest that next year your analysis should include state funded merit programs as well as the face cost of tuition. For instance, I attended the University of Florida and I can tell you that very few of the native Florida students who went to UF ever paid the face value of its tuition, and many (if not most) never paid for tuition or books at all. The admissions standards for the university were generally higher than the state scholarship criteria! In Florida, the standard academic scholarship program is called "Bright Futures", but I know that there are similar programs in other states - such as Georgia's Hope scholarship. I think that this data would make in-state comparison between top schools much more realistic.
Posted by: Dave at 01/09/2010 12:18:42 PM
I'd like to see the starting list of over 500 schools...and to know how the 500 schools to start the ranking project with were determined...clearly many other were left out and never had a chance.......to have a top 100 school with only 765 students (just a sub-set of a larger school at that) suggests even very small schools are in the 500 to begin with...I'm certain many school larger than 765 students are not in the 500...If they are not,, they can never be in the 100...Actually such ranking lists are worth what we pay for them...nothing.
Posted by: T. Massoletti at 01/11/2010 02:34:41 PM
There are some good choices on this list, such as UNC, Maryland, and others. But the blatant omission of at least two major schools, The University of Wisconsin and the University of Texas shatters the credibility of this list. UW is ranked high in just about every category, including academics and yet is a very affordable school. UT is one of the world's leading edcuational institutions and is a bargain at less than $20,000 per year. How the researched left of two of the top public schools in the nation is just baffling.
Posted by: Mel at 01/11/2010 02:42:51 PM
West Virginia is still a state. Why is it not on the list?
Posted by: UND Proud at 01/11/2010 04:16:48 PM
University of North Dakota-best aerospace program in the country and they don't make the list? For so many students to make the choice to attend school in one of the coldest cities in the U.S., has to reflect on the programs offered and the outstanding value at UND.
Posted by: Reid at 01/11/2010 04:16:49 PM
The list is the top 100. A lot of people seem to expect every school in the nation to be on the list. So your favorite didn't make the list, maybe it didn't meet all of the criteria. Quit your bitchin'!
Posted by: William Richards at 01/11/2010 04:53:58 PM
Concord University in Athens, WV is a very good public school: particularly in business. Please check out the first-time passage rate for the CPA exam Concord students have amassed. It's other shcools are as academically rigorous and scholastically as complete and make it an educational bargain for the highest acieiving students.. In addition, it is affordable and in a beautiful region. Please consider Concord University in your Public schools ratings..
Posted by: Debbie at 01/11/2010 05:25:23 PM
Where is the State of Nevada?
Posted by: Roger Cheatum at 01/11/2010 05:56:27 PM
Sad to see that Kansas has no Universities (on this best values list).......
Posted by: Gene Rey at 01/11/2010 06:59:30 PM
I live by the rule "If any Dr has had ANY "schooling" at UNC-Chapel Hill or any other North Carolina "school" I RUN. I learned this through experience.
Posted by: Barb H at 01/11/2010 08:30:32 PM
Were is Arizona? U of A is one of the best schools for the money!
Posted by: Nancy at 01/11/2010 08:36:01 PM
The reason U of AZ and ASU or any public school in AZ is not on this list is that the state of AZ is in a budgetary disaster. The governor and legislature in this state do NOT prioritize education in the least and tuitions have been rising like crazy and will continue to do so until governmental changes and/or the economy improves. It is certainly not in the top hundred for bargains or financial aid available. They are even about to cut the Regent's scholarship program for the best highschool grads in state. A tragedy really because there are some good academics there.
Posted by: Jean Pickard at 01/11/2010 10:20:57 PM
I, too, am puzzled by the exclusion of the University of Kentucky. It is an excellent school and one that is relatively inexpensive for in-state as well as out of state students. Many of these schools I am familiar with and do not understand how they made the list, especially academically and I know for a fact they are much more expensive...
Posted by: joan at 01/12/2010 08:22:47 AM
WE WERE THRILLED TO SEE OUR CHILDREN ARE AT THE #1 AND #2 RANKED SCHOOLS!! We have two children in college, our oldest is at University of Florida which made sense since we are in state and the tuition is so very affordable. He is getting a great education but the school is quite large and my husband (who is a college professor-not at UF) told him at a large state university the key is to get to know your professors, find a mentor, do research, get an internship...all of which he has done with great support from the UF faculty. Although our daughter loved UF, when she was accepted into UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA AT CHAPEL HILL as an out of state student, costing us over $30,000, we decided to let her go there. This was also a great decision, and they are both getting a wonderful education at a state university. She too has embraced all the opportunities at Carolina--service organizations, research, internships, etc....as a college professor at a large state university for over 30 years, my husband believes the key to success is to get involved, take advantage of all the university has to offer, and your undergrad will be a success!
Posted by: pat at 01/13/2010 01:40:43 PM
did you look at Adams State College in CO? We are the lowest 4 yr tuition in the state.
Posted by: Richard Coddington at 01/15/2010 04:28:30 PM
I find it interesting that no school in North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming or Idaho made your list. I'd suggest there may be something about the ranking system that excludes the state supported institutions from more rural and less populated areas. These are also areas of the country that lots of companies recruit from. There's a disconnect someplace.
Posted by: Susanna at 01/21/2010 04:23:22 PM
What about West Virginia University? Next to the Ivy League, we have the most Rhode Scholars. We are way better than some of the schools you have listed.
Posted by: Ron Peterson at 01/21/2010 04:23:43 PM
Echo Elmo -- I'm a Wyo U grad of many years ago. A CPA. When I graduated in 1962, all the then Big 8 CPA firms came to interview at Cowboy U. They didn't at the University of Colorado --- Hmmmmmm! Of 18 accounting grads that year, seven of us set for the CPA exam just before graduation. One passed it in its entirety, the rest of us "conditioned" the exam meaning that we passed two or more parts thus allowing us a certain subsequent period of time to pass the balance. We went from Laramie to Sheridan to sit for the exam -- 300 miles away. We went more to party than to be tested. Party, we did -- also passed, we did. Says something for the quality of the education, which I understand has even gotten far better since that time.
Posted by: Jim at 01/21/2010 04:32:13 PM
Your list for the state of Texas is so incomplete. What about Sam Houston State University in Huntsville?
Posted by: Dave at 01/21/2010 04:33:33 PM
How do you do an entire study and forget about the state of West Virginia ? Not only can you not select the colleges but you can't even select the state using your drop down menu. If you do not even realize that West Virginia is a state then how can anyone take your study seriosly?
Posted by: Paula H. at 01/21/2010 04:35:05 PM
You did not list University of Nevada, Reno. Excellent standings, beautiful campus, competitive cost, great location (3 hours from SF, 20 minutes to Lake Tahoe). Hidden jewel.
Posted by: John J Shields at 01/21/2010 04:36:37 PM
What happened to West Virginia University? Out of state tuition is less than every in state tuition on your top ten. I might be biased but it is a great universtiy, count the rhodes scholars from this school. By the way in state tuition is less than $5000 a year.
Posted by: Paula at 01/21/2010 04:38:53 PM
The last I knew, Kansas was a state in the United States and has several great colleges and universities. Perhaps the person(s) who collected this data (are) not up on all the courses and fine degrees offered at Kansas schools of higher learning and their great sports teams. Be fair and include all the states when choosing the best.
Posted by: Kalei at 01/21/2010 04:45:35 PM
I cannot believe that the state of Hawaii isn't even on the list. I have nothing more to say then that.
Posted by: ag at 01/21/2010 04:53:26 PM
Georgia Tech is the 4th ranked engineering school on the country and is an inexpensive state school. GT is usually first or second in the country for average SAT scores of entering freshman (usually between GT and University of Virginia). GT has a global reputation, more facilities and better faculty than most private schools and does not make the list? Ridiculous.
Posted by: Carl at 01/21/2010 04:55:45 PM
Where are the Arizona schools? I do not see either the University of Arizona (Tucson) or Arizona State (Tempe)?
Posted by: LR at 01/21/2010 04:57:28 PM
Where is Florida International University (FIU)? FIU is the most selective school in Florida, if any school can compete with FIU academically it's the University of Florida which is #2...I fail to see how UCF, USF and FSU are ranked but FIU isn't.
Posted by: Robert at 01/21/2010 04:58:30 PM
WVU West Virginia University should be at the top of the list????
Posted by: Lynn at 01/21/2010 04:58:47 PM
Just wondering how fair and accurate this is since ND and SD universities are missing as well as several others. I have to agree with JD's comments from 1/4/10. I guess this just proves that any type of survey/poll can be manipulated to get any results a person wants.
Posted by: Bill at 01/21/2010 05:00:10 PM
Why did the states of Kansas and Kentucky get left out of the list?
Posted by: Erin Hobbs at 01/21/2010 05:00:12 PM
I think the numbers are interestng and wonder where you got them. Since my daughter is a high school senior and we have spent the last year looking at college tuition pages. IU is at almost 19k last I checked for in state, not less than 16k as stated and Ball State is less than 16 and didn't make the list. What's up with that?!
Posted by: Tom Roberts at 01/21/2010 05:01:42 PM
I know Kansas is a flyover state, but certainly you could have dipped in for a look at one of the country's most impressive, if little recognized, state school system, beginning with flagship University of Kansas.
Posted by: LL at 01/21/2010 05:06:07 PM
You are missing a huge segment of students by not including online programs in your review process....
Posted by: O. Karmon at 01/21/2010 05:07:11 PM
Where is the Unitversity of Idaho?
Posted by: fields at 01/21/2010 05:08:05 PM
Take a look at the student debt after graduation and the % of those who graduate! How can you list Auburn as a good value?(I am a AU alumni) By the way, Auburn is a land grant college, so why did you eliminate others for that reason?
Posted by: Jon at 01/21/2010 05:17:24 PM
I am going to stick with The Princeton Review's ratings, as it appears that they actually took an objective look at the different schools. Texas A&M in the top 10 rankings for best value for public schools.
Posted by: twill at 01/21/2010 05:22:50 PM
I didn't realize we only had 36 states. Interesting, good research, maybe you should invest in a newer map. You might find more colleges and universities lurking out there!
Posted by: William at 01/21/2010 05:26:41 PM
the list is impressive. My comment is that the entrance requirements to those colleges are so restrictive that only the top 10-15% of any high school graduating class, if their lucky, can possibly gain entrance to those institutions. I can speak from personal experience, my nephew, a resident of Virginia and in the top 25% of his senior class wasn't even in the running for consideration at the University of Virginia. He did however qualify for Virginia Tech and graduated from that institutiion. Furthermore if you are a non resident forget about even applying unless you are in the upper 5-10 % of your graduating class and your high school is highly rated. It would be more relevent to post a list of colleges that are affordable and have reasaonable entrance requirements that are attainable by the average or above average student. .
Posted by: Joel Ellis at 01/21/2010 05:34:28 PM
The author of this article probably does not know that we have a state called Wyoming and in the city of Laramie is the University of Wyoming. Try evaluating that one for your next "poll"
Posted by: Lee Tanner at 01/21/2010 05:40:55 PM
Where are schools in Nevada?
Posted by: uconjak at 01/21/2010 05:45:42 PM
Last year my daughter got into the u of virginia...she had top ACT scores(32+)...the only Aid we got was a 5k loan, which is I consider Zero aid...the cost for us was almost 40K. the university expected us to take all of my wife's take home pay to cover the costs of the education. That was 55% of our total take home pay. My Daughter got nearly a full ride at U of Iowa with no loans... According to the Aid office they have NO freshman academic aid for out of state students. Most major Universities have some type of Merit aid for outstate student. I bet if she could throw a football she would get some aid!!! If the school doesn't recognize academic preformance and provides aid reguardless of need, I don't think they are a good value...the Ivies she applied for gave us good aid. The cost was around 25k for the year and NO loans.
Posted by: N at 01/21/2010 05:52:52 PM
UVA in my humble opinion should not be the #3 "best value". The posted information, such as student to teacher ratio, is not even close to being correct; They must count graduate students (TA's) and graders as professors. For example: It is not uncommon for engineering classes to have 75+ students per class; required economic classes (201,202) have 200+. It is also a publish or perish school. The professors are quite wise regarding their given subject, however; a vast majority cannot present material in a way that is educational and advantageous to the student body.
Posted by: Marcus Michael at 01/21/2010 06:07:06 PM
You folks have a hard time spelling ARIZONA or were you blinded by the winter sun? Let me guess. None of the three state universities made your 100 cut. Too bad! The UofA/ASU Medical School is ranked in the top 10 in the US and the UofA is among the top S&T institutions, especially in astrophysics and space sciences...
Posted by: Frances at 01/21/2010 07:39:35 PM
Obviously the group that put together these lists never went to college otherwise they'd know there are FIFTY states. Apparently the letter K is offensive??
Posted by: jim at 01/21/2010 08:03:01 PM
What, you don't recognize Wyoming as a state?
Posted by: Joe at 01/21/2010 08:08:40 PM
Not sure if you guys at esteemed Kiplinger know that Hawaii is a State (not even an option in your search list) and that the University of Hawaii is certainly a top ten contender on this list. I understand its the cheapest in state/out of state public university from a tuition standpoint in the nation and any school that boasts a top 20 Medical program and top 50 business school nationwide certainly wouldn't be left off the list from a quality perspective so... Looks like you missed a big one (a whole State) - by the way, Hawaii has been a State for over 50 years...
Posted by: Heidi C. at 01/21/2010 09:21:18 PM
How come North Dakota isn't even listed as an option to search by state? Last time I checked, it was still part of the 50.
Posted by: DC_Nupe at 01/21/2010 09:49:30 PM
No HBCUs...I guess there's no value?
Posted by: Kathi at 01/21/2010 09:49:41 PM
So why are some of the SUNY schools NOT on the list, like SUNY Plattsburgh, which has an outstanding nursing program (among others), or SUNY Potsdam, which offers Crane School of Music, from which Rene Flemming graduated? Both very good schools with reasonable in and out of state tuition. My daughter is currently attending Plattsburgh, and is getting a great educational experience in nursing, with clinicals at both Plattsburgh and Burlington, VT hospitals. And Potsdam has long been highly respected as both a music and teacher's school. They both offer many other majors as well.
Posted by: S.E. Carr at 01/21/2010 10:01:30 PM
Where is the University of Idaho? My daughter will graduate from 4 years undergraduate and 3 years of law school there for less than $50K.
Posted by: Winston at 01/21/2010 10:06:41 PM
Interestingly, Murray State University (Murray, KY), and Berea College (Berea, KY) are not included on your list but are a couple of Best Values in public colleges/universities in the U.S. News & World Report annual listings. Why?
Posted by: Spencer at 01/21/2010 10:22:40 PM
I can't believe that the University of Kansas or Kansas State University are not on this list. I am a KU grad and can tell you the education is top notch and low cost on an incredible campus in an amazing little city.
Posted by: Jennie Papkin at 01/21/2010 10:23:15 PM
I know that Canadian schools aren't used for consideration in this study, but they should be. McGill University is constantly ranked in the top 10 or 15 schools in the WORLD and international students pay less than at almost of the schools on your top ten list, even in-state tuition. In terms of accessibility, it is not very far away at all and has a large percentage of American students. The University of Toronto and The University of British Columbia are also great institutions to consider.
Posted by: Raj at 01/21/2010 10:28:02 PM
I graduated from Univ of Kansas and had friends studying in other schools all across US. Comparatively speaking Univ of Kansas is one of the best school in US in terms of academics and also tution fees.
Posted by: fen at 01/21/2010 10:52:19 PM
I would just like to say personally that Clemson University is not a good value. I can't believe this school ever gets ranked in the Top 100 of anything. Do not go to Clemson unless you want to get a second rate education by teachers that dont have time for you.
Posted by: Kasey at 01/22/2010 12:43:41 AM
As an out of state student at the University of Washington, I just want to say that the "total" presented is actually just the total for one year here. I love UW, but people need to know that tuition here isn't that cheap. Also, in state tuition is going to be hiked up 14% for next year. As far as the comment below me, I'm from Arizona. My sister went to U of A. She didn't exactly find it the most challenging school. To say the least, she went out of state for grad school... I guess you get what you pay for.
Posted by: K Prof at 01/22/2010 09:57:42 AM
Where are the schools in Kansas and Kentucky? There are excellent programs at KU, K-State, and UK. What a horrible oversight that skews and ruins the credibility of the entire study. Well done, Kiplinger and/or your copy editors (do people use those any more? You can't tell from half the stuff published on the web).
Posted by: Rose H at 01/22/2010 10:25:49 AM
As a current resident of KY and a former resident of KS and MN, I've always followed your listing for the schools that I know to be of merit. Over the years I've watched Murray State U (Ky) hit the list repeatedly -- now neither state is even listed in the "States" list. Care to answer all of us who've asked where KS, KY, and RI have gone?
Posted by: Oppressed at 01/22/2010 10:30:37 AM
...I don't think this is a valid assessment. Too many schools and states are not considered.
Posted by: John Booth at 01/22/2010 10:49:16 AM
I counted only 39 states being in the poll. What happened to the other 11 and DC?
Posted by: Tim T. at 01/22/2010 11:42:30 AM
Centre College, Danville, KY No. 1.
Posted by: Tom Dinkel at 01/22/2010 02:03:35 PM
You folks should let a computer do the compiling of data in order make the proper evaluation...the data is flawed since it is not complete...
Posted by: M Megee at 01/22/2010 02:16:40 PM
Black Hills State in South Dakota is a great one for your money...small school, small town environment, cheaper to be an out-of-state student than an in-state student at any of the three Arizona schools! The Arizona schools also raised their "fees" this past year...thanks to the state legislature's stupidty.
Posted by: Mountaineer at 01/22/2010 02:37:37 PM
I think it is odd that you do not include any school from the state of West Virginia in your rankings. Either this was an intentional slight, in which case I would say you poll is biased and very unuseful. Or this was an unintentional slight, in which case I would say you must have complete idiots working on your research team. If West Virginia University was the only school you neglected to mention, it would be a different story, but it appears that there are other schools you did not include as well....
Posted by: Jane B. Clark at 01/22/2010 05:30:32 PM
Hi, I wrote the story that accompanies the college rankings. Thanks for all your comments and for contributing to a lively conversation on our site. Please know that we absolutely do consider the public schools in all 50 states, including Arizona, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, Wyoming and West Virginia (as well as the schools in the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico). In fact, the states that do not appear in our pull down menu on the tool are those in which none of the schools made our top 100. In some cases cost was a factor, but in most cases the schools did not meet the academic criteria we set for the top 100. We would be the last to suggest that those schools have no value or that they don't provide a meaningful--in some cases life-changing--experience to their students. Nonetheless, the whole point of doing the ranking is to identify the best values, as we define the term, not to list every school in every state. We believe that defining value is something we do well at Kiplingers, and we hope you keep reading and commenting.
Posted by: Tracy Chapman at 01/23/2010 09:37:25 AM
There are no Kansas schools with a good public education? The University of Kansas in Lawrence is a top notch school with affordable tuition. You fail to mention that it's next to impossible for a student from out of state to get into a North Carolina state school. Not much of a list in my opinion.
Posted by: dixie at 01/23/2010 11:12:13 AM
I did not see mount mercy college, uni, kirkwood community college, just iowa state and the university of iowa. you should include all the colleges in every state and not just a few that was mentioned here in your article....
Posted by: Laker at 01/23/2010 01:51:32 PM
Man are some people mad...If your school isn't posted then for one reason, maybe academics or class sizes or for another it didn't make the list. Sure maybe the school gave you an amazing award so it cost you $1 to go there, but that doesn't mean its a good academic school or it has a nice campus or its competative. (The person who posted about online schools....come on, are you joking, So an onlie degree that you got from your couch is better than UNC????, online programs don't hold any weight yet...). Also if you schools didn't make this list well maybe they are on Kaplan's or Princeton's list. The one problem I see with all these lists is they sometimes they use outdated or incorrect information. For instance, including faculty to student ratio, instead of class size in this poll, is the worst. Who cares if the ratio is 15 or 16, it doesn't matter when you're going there because the average class size is 200+ your freshman year, taught by a GA or TA (michigan state). Anyway good luck compiling this list. I'd love to see Grand Valley State, I know its smaller but US News rated it #1 up-and-coming in the entire midwest this year!!!
Posted by: BgB at 01/23/2010 02:01:48 PM
Where is Adams State College? I pay a little under 20,000$ per YEAR, and that includes on campus housing and all my books and such. It is a top rated school in Colorado and has superb academics and athletics...why wasn't it included on the list?
Posted by: Karen at 01/23/2010 08:31:30 PM
How long has Kiplinger been doing this list? And for how many years has UF been No. 2?
Posted by: Lindsey at 01/25/2010 08:31:08 AM
Where is Georgia State University? If North GA College & State Univ and Georgia Southern made the list, GA State should have (with a higher rank to boot). For business majors, I would argue GA State is even better than UGA, simply because UGA graduates come out of school with zero practical experience (unless you count working as a bartender or liquor store cashier as relevent business experience). Also, considering this is a VALUE ranking, all GA universities should be highly ranked. Some of these other public schools are as expensive as private universities, even with in-state tuition.
Posted by: JoeB at 01/25/2010 11:35:00 AM
I noticed that the Virginia Military Institute (VMI) wasn't even on your list of candidate schools. VMI is a state supported public school just like UVA and VT (only better!). I don't know where it would fall in your rankings but it should be in the pool.
Posted by: Henry at 01/25/2010 12:36:28 PM
What happened to Kansas and Kentucky? I find it hard to believe, that neither of those states made the list as students from around the world flock to these institutions for an education.
Posted by: Henry at 01/25/2010 06:05:50 PM
You left out the University of Nevada with campuses in both Reno and Las Vegas. Have you ever heard of UNLV? They were National Basketball Champions a few years back.
Posted by: pb at 01/26/2010 08:54:17 AM
I saw no South Dakota schools? Why? The University of South Dakota has a very strong Business and Medical school and has unbeatable tuition rates. I believe this study was skewed and low population states were not included.
Posted by: redwave72 at 01/27/2010 02:36:08 AM
Value can be a tricky thing to measure and goes beyond the cost of tuition and R&B. At SUNY-Cortland, where 30 or more students per year are routinely suspended for a semester or more, many for even trivial violations of an extremely harsh alcohol policy, and nothing is refunded, you can lose thousands of dollars and precious months of schooling for no good reason. Not to mention the trauma of your student having to deal with Judicial Affairs. For the 2008-2009 school year, the VP of Student Affairs bragged that almost 1000 (out of about 6000) students were hauled before his Department for various violations. You get what you pay for, I'm afraid.
Posted by: WP Themes at 02/13/2010 03:24:26 AM
Good dispatch and this entry helped me alot in my college assignement. Gratefulness...for your information.
Posted by: MCC at 02/24/2010 10:38:06 AM
U of Kansas was on the list in the past; however, while tuition and living expenses have gone up, the quality of the in-classroom educational experience has gone down. That's what happens when funds are directed towards athletics (facilities, buyouts, salaries, etc.) and administrators (some senior staff salaries up < 50%). But, hey at least the BBall team is #1.
Posted by: William Powell at 03/16/2010 08:14:25 AM
What about East Carolina University? They have a reasonable cost of in state tuition, their medical and teaching programs are some of the best in the nation, and, like many other educating facilities, ECU seems to have been overlooked. If there is going to be a ranking, lets rank all colleges and universities in the country, not just a select few. We need to see the ranking of every facility so we can make the best decision for our and our childrens future.
Posted by: John Havey at 03/18/2010 06:05:02 PM
Using U of I - Urbana-Champaign as an example. Given the following costs: In-State Tuition Cost: $9,484 / year, Room and Board Cost: $9,284 / year, In-State Total Costs should be: $18,768 / year this ignores books and fees...Assuming, it takes four years to graduate, the In State Total Costs should be:$75,072 ($18,768 / year X 4 years)...$75,072 is way higher than the tables In-State Total Costs of $23,144. In fact it is so much higher that I have to write and ask: Q: Are the In-State Total Costs, In-State Costs After Aid, and Avg. Financial Aid columns per year or for the expected four years? If they are per year, what additional costs (the difference between $18768 and $23144) were included in the calculation, and what was the source? If they are for all for years, I assume the difference has something to do with the column % Met by Aid (70%). If so, % Met by Aid (70%) = $75,072 X 70% = $52,550.40 Leaving the amount not met by Aid (30%) = $75,072 X 30% = $22,521.60 This is close to the tables In-State Total Costs of $23,144. If this is how the numbers were derived, then I have the additional questions: Q: % Met by Aid (70%) Who receives it? From whom? Under what conditions? What does it include? Q: Avg. Financial Aid seems to be separate (in addition to) the % Met by Aid. Is this correct? How is it different? What does it include? Q: If you are not a recipient of the 70%, is the college still a good value? Anything you can do to clear up my confusion would be greatly appreciated.
Posted by: Lori at 03/30/2010 12:55:02 PM
I'm wondering why Indiana University of Pennsylvania (IUP) didn't make the cut. I searched the whole Northeast, and that is the best value that I found.
Posted by: Kevin at 04/09/2010 09:57:06 PM
SUNY Geneseo was once a "hidden gem". Now it is just a gem!!!!
Posted by: Denise Shearman at 05/01/2010 11:41:46 AM
I'd like to know the cost differential between in state/out of state tuitions at the top 25 public universities in the USA. My son is finishing his first year at UVA, and I continue to be shocked at the 300% higher tuition for out of state students. I just received info that the State of Virginia continues to cut public funds for UVA, and yet it still continues to call itself a public university. I don't think the MR. JJEFFERSON would approve.
Posted by: Thomas Gould at 06/07/2010 10:23:11 AM
Not sure I've ever seen so many whines in one place! You'd think any school left of the list was immediately shut down and its parts sold to the top 100 schools. This is a LIST, people. Just a list! It's not the definitive ranking of anything! It's not intended to suggest that any school not on the list is silly to remain open. 100 schools. Not 150, not 250, not 500. 100 schools. This reminds me of the (scam) practice of promising some silly company that if they buy this special software that their website will be in the top 10 Google searches. So what happens when the 11th version is sold? If you think that this list will funnel all students to UNC or any of the other 99 on the list, then you need to start your own list. Call it the "We Didn't Make That Other List, But We're Still a Great School." Of course, you could just do a little outreach, targeted social networking, and quit pouting. Oh, BTW, I teach at Kansas State University and love it.
Posted by: jenny at 08/17/2010 09:41:45 AM
You might change the picture that goes with this article....it's of University of Virginia graduation The Rotunda to Cabell Hall, not University of North Carolina. Hard to miss that architecture.