Confessions of a Debt Collector

Fred Williams, a reporter for the Buffalo News, worked for three months at a debt-collection agency to see how one operates. Here is his report.

From Kiplinger's Personal Finance magazine, November 2008
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"Ethel, you did this!" Joe barks into the phone, his voice booming through the divider between our desks. Joe is trying to collect a credit-card bill, but Ethel is unaware of the card's existence -- or claims to be. "Stop making excuses!" Joe tells her.

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It's my first week on the job as a debt collector, and already I'm learning a lot. Or rather, unlearning a lot. Everything I know about consumer finance is wrong here.

In this upside-down world, unpaid bills are a boon, not a curse. The bigger, the better. If we collect, the agency gets a bounty of 10% to 50% from the creditor, and it gives us a cut. Top collectors are handed bonuses of $10,000 or more at a monthly assembly, while envious co-workers clap and cheer.

In this world, identity theft isn't an epidemic. It's an excuse used by weaseling debtors -- like job loss, illness or even the death of a spouse. In the notes we make after each call, these excuses are summed up with the code HLS -- hard-luck story.

Joe tells Ethel that he's looking at her credit report and it doesn't support her innocence. "This card was paid every month for two years," he says. "Identity thieves don't do that!" Maybe he's right and she's trying to skip a legitimate bill. Or maybe he's making it up.

The collection industry gets the most complaints of any industry regulated by the U.S. Federal Trade Commission -- more than 300,000 in the past five years. The trade association, ACA International, blames the griping on consumers' increasing debt burden.

But inside the large, well-established agency where I work, that's not the whole story. Motivated strictly by cash, collectors manipulate, shame and threaten people into paying, without caring whether the bill is legitimate.

"Get the money!" our team leader exhorts us in a brief morning huddle. Then we hit the phones, making 150 to 200 calls a day. Most are answered by machines or by people who say we've got a wrong number.

Debtors are cagey about picking up, so we're taught to mask the purpose of the call as long as possible. We ask for them casually by first name, like an acquaintance. Outright deception is forbidden, but sometimes my co-workers pose as paralegals or even as "fraud investigators," to imply that criminal charges are looming.

Once a debtor is on the line, we demand that they pay the overdue balance immediately. But the balance is like the sticker price on a car -- a starting point for negotiation. On some accounts, I may offer a settlement that wipes out half the bill. This helps to placate debtors. They're usually sputtering mad because their actual purchases are a pittance compared with the interest, late fees and over-limit fees they now owe.

If a debtor opts to settle, I am trained to take their application. In a bored voice I ask for their cell-phone number, their spouse's work phone and so on, as if I'm filling out a form. There's no application; we get the phone numbers to hound them if their payment falls through.

To help debtors raise money, we are trained to give them financial advice that would make their accountant blanch, if they had one. We suggest that they take money out of their IRA, drain their home equity with a second mortgage, load up a different credit card or even skip a mortgage payment.

If a debtor still won't pay, we play a version of good cop/bad cop. Two collectors will team up on one call, with one posing as a hard-hearted manager. The other listens patiently and pretends to be sympathetic. The idea is to make the debtor want to please the sympathetic collector, who closes the deal.

Even people like Ethel, who claim to be fraud victims, can be squeezed for cash. We say it was probably their child or someone else in their household who abused the card, and if they don't call the police, we will.

But Joe loses his battle of wills with Ethel for today when she simply hangs up. Calling her back immediately would violate rules against harassment. I go around the divider to commiserate, and to see whether Ethel's credit report really implicated her. But Joe has already deleted it from his screen and pulled up another account, preparing to make his next call.

Our group manager has also been listening. "You blew it," he tells Joe loudly, so the rest of the group can hear. "You should've got her to pay."

Author Fred Williams's book, Inside Debt Collection, is available at www.lulu.com.

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Reader Comments (32)

Posted by: Marc at 10/08/2008 10:24:54 AM

Thanks, Fred (Williams, author of this article) for yet another article that links the poor behavior and even poorer leadership of a bad seed with those of us that attempt every day to do the job legitimately. Perhaps one day someone will take the time to seek out and report on those of us in this industry that believe you can collect debts and preserve people's dignity simultaneously.

Posted by: LARRY at 10/08/2008 11:16:30 AM

I THOUGHT THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO PAY YOUR BILLS, EVEN WHEN THEY ARE DELINQUENT. GETTING INFORMATION TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON IF AND HOW THE DEBTOR CAN AND WILL PAY IS VITAL.

Posted by: George Williams at 10/13/2008 02:39:57 PM

These debt collectors are crazy....As an attorney, I tell my clients to them off your back for 30 days, contest the dispute under the Federal Fair Debt Collecvtions Act. NJ also has the NJ Consumer Fraud Act which imposes stiff (treble damages)reprecussions.

Posted by: kay at 10/14/2008 08:29:39 AM

People do want to pay their bills. The sad fact is that things happen, cancer, accidents, illness, layoffs. This country was brought to it's knees by oil prices and cascading effects of this issue. If companies were more willing to work with these folks at a reduced amount, they would have a better chance at collections.

Posted by: jakebecker at 10/14/2008 02:48:24 PM

Never feel guilty about what you say to a debt collector--I was once one too. Remember, they called you...they write notes in your file so it's in your interest to make them not want to bother you.

Posted by: Terry at 10/14/2008 08:47:26 PM

Collection agencies are usually willing to work with you. It can not only be on your terms. If you want payment arrangements(you will most likely have to set them up with post-dated checks)you will probably have to come up with certain percentage down. Also, on what George Williams said, agencies' first letter sent to debtors tells them they have 30 days to dispute the debt or it will be considered legitimate. Debtors usually don't open them because by law they look like junk mail on the outside. And some debtors make it worse for debtors who want to pay. Debtors are not (always) the nicest people, either.

Posted by: Eddie at 10/16/2008 03:34:20 PM

I had a debt collector call me 1 time & I told him that if he wanted the MONEY he would have to physicaly have to come to my home to collect it......Debt collectors ARE NOT WELCOMED IN Puerto Rico!!!!!

Posted by: CRYSTAL at 10/18/2008 11:06:37 AM

Why is it that no one writes about the positive side of debt collection? There have been many moments that I have been thanked for helping people take care of their debts. What isn't being told in these articles is what we have to deal with. We have people that blame us for their problems constantly. About 40% of credit cards are taken out by people who NEVER intend on paying them back. People on fixed incomes who think we should be sympathetic and just close it. People who say things like " Yeah, and what do you want me to do about it" There are some people who just do it to actually help people take care the bill. We go through people yelling, cursing and threatening to harm us physically. Remember, we honestly just want to help you get this straightened out.

Posted by: Eddie at 10/19/2008 06:42:39 PM

...Crystal....you are NOT doing me ANY favors....by getting HIGH collection FEES that you put in your Bank account....

Posted by: nick at 10/21/2008 01:38:38 AM

why do you need favors eddie? People who go borrow money from someone or a company owe it back. There was a time when people had honor & dignity, respect & a sense of responsibility...

Posted by: Louis at 10/21/2008 02:28:11 PM

First off, the issue with debt collectors is that there are a bunch of them who give the industry a bad name. Not all are bad but there are so many and the industry really is not policing itself. I know there are many debt collectors who follow the law and show compassion. If only the industry could get rid of the cowboys. Second, I do not believe for one minute that 40% of the people who borrow money do not intend to pay it back. That figure is more like 5% - 10%. On top of that, the banks knowing the circumstances of many of the borrowers, knowing that they could not pay it back, still loaned the money. I know the borrower has some blame but what about the creditor? They should take some blame too. Finally, the record keeping of these debts are so horrible that I would doubt if Ethel really owed the money. I am sure that if you could send proof to these people that they owed the money, they would pay. As it is, most of the proof does not stand up in court if the possible debtor actually fights the case. I do not mind hearing both sides of the actions of the debt collection industry but they must see all sides of the issues too.

Posted by: Mark at 10/23/2008 12:12:20 AM

I have been a debt collector for 7 years now. Most of these people borrow the money when they know they will not be able to pay it back. The people i am referring to are the credit cards and borrowing from the government. Then (we) will call them and they feel harrassed. That is nonsense. Yeah we do demand payment in full cause the monthly plan you were on obviously did not work, so why try again. I can not stand when the dtr feels like they are the victim (excluding id theft victims)

Posted by: Liz at 10/25/2008 10:12:11 AM

I agree with Crystal - no one ever has anything positive to say about debt collectors. I have been contacted a few times by debt collectors and they were always willing to help me work things out. They never said abusive or demeaning things. I like the phrase, "Kill 'em with kindness," and if more people (i.e. debt collectors) used this approach, they would get a lot farther with debtors. Otherwise, they can expect a lot of hang-ups on the other end.

Posted by: Willy at 11/07/2008 04:25:01 PM

IMHO: The third party debt collector is a total scam and should be outlawed. The only legit debt collector is the original owner of the account. If the original owner, like Citibank, charges off a delinquent account and reports the loss to their insurance company, then it is over and the consumer gets blemish on their credit report as penality. The sketchy and shady business starts when the bank sells the debt to a debt buyer, who sells it to a third collector . . . A $500 investment may have a return of $10,000. The debt collector sounds as if seeking a "judgement" which is beneficial to its original owner (assignor), sounds like they will help consumer do the right thing paying their bills. The only party who gets paid is the collector, who gives nothing to the original owner and only puts the consumer into deeper financial trouble. It is a legalized scam. Never settle with them. Pay them nothing. If you settle, you just give them the right to hang a sword on your head for long time...You should think about a settlement only if the original owner is suing you ... after all, you do owe them (original owner) money.

Posted by: Charles at 11/13/2008 06:56:43 PM

Having just read "The confessions of a Debt Collector" prompted me to write about a recent experience I had with one out of San Diego. I had received numerous calls about a debt I had nothing to do with, and so informed the callers who could barely speak English. They were informed as such and ordered to stay off my phone. They persisted, even telling me I could not stop them. Even the 800 numbers were "No longer in service". I filed a report on "Consumer Rip-off Reports" and, while doing so, I happened upon an ad from a law firm in Los Angles who promised to stop the calls at no expense to me. Consequently, I went to Federal Court in San Diego where I won the case (more damages are pending) and the law firm paid for my trip. The collectors (two lawyers) even had bogus phone numbers, social security numbers, and addresses on me that I have never had. They even had me owing a bill that I never had and was listed with those bogus numbers. I did find the Federal Government, as is generally the case, protects the business, not the victim. But it was still a great source of satisfaction to be able to speak directly to the judge and watch the collectors "eat crow". Plus, I had a pleasant flight to California from Atlanta at no expense to me. I have even written "Addressee Deceased" on repeated mailings from some collectors. I have learned how (and do) have some fun with them when they get overly persistent and especially when they fabricate a debt against me.

Posted by: ellen at 11/20/2008 07:57:36 PM

...My ex forged my name to...a timeshare he got in the divorce. When he didn't pay they came after me, and I knew nothing about it! They tried to tell me that my ex said I paid the bills all along, which was a lie. They said my ex talked about how he had to talk to his wife, and when I pointed out we are divorced, they changed it to "ex-wife". They threatened to take legal action against him if I persisted denying I signed, so I trumped them and called the police myself--after I pointed out to them that THEY are also culpable, because their agent clearly knew my signature was forged (he noted that he had seen my driver's license, and he hadn't because I wasn't there)...They finally gave up on me and went after my ex, who finally paid...

Posted by: Suzanne at 12/10/2008 10:37:48 AM

This is no joke. After my mother passed away at the holidays I basically did nothing...not even pay bills for 2 weeks while traveling for that. The company we make our house payment to began calling to remind me. Then when I answered the phone they yelled, told me I was a bad mother and to borrow the money or they would take our home. Explaining my situation did nothing. They even sent someone, after only being 7 days late with our payment, to our home! They left no business card but a ripped piece of paper with a name and number on it. I don't even know how they got into our gated community! I finally got to my bills, paid this and they demanded I cancel the check I mailed and make a payment over the phone. My husband fell for this. I work for lawyers and did what they suggested and have not had a problem since. These people can be frightening!

Posted by: MT at 02/25/2009 12:02:50 PM

WOW...I am currently going through a debt-vs-me issue. I got into a little credit trouble a few years back and the acct. was forwarded to a debt collector. These people have called my new phone number non-stop for the past 3 weeks. I finally had to yell and tell the lady to stop calling me. They tried the good cop bad cop, they threatened me with court. One lady even kept telling me how sad I was because I am so young...I just got so angry and yelled and told them to stop. I demanded their companies information, her name and her managers name. They gave me the information, of course a P.O. box, and no last names they claim I was violating their privacy? Well I am so glad I read this I will be settling the debt at my discreation and I will demand everything in writing. I am still going to report the company to the BBB. Thanks

Posted by: Don at 04/14/2009 06:30:45 AM

I believe that you still have missed the point. In most cases bill collectors buy the debt and have no evidence that could up in court concerning said debt. No proof of Real Party of interest. No Chain of ownership. Nothing. They have nothing and are in reality trying to get the consumer to enter into a new contract with them that has nothing to do with the bill owed....

Posted by: cabeli at 05/24/2009 06:34:18 PM

...the author of this article is incredibly biased. I am a collector of a major collection agency and everyone in there are incredibly kind. in our training we were taught to be considerate especialy with the economic times but to try to get a payment. we do not just offer settlements or demand that they owe more than the amount due. Sorry but we are calling these people beause they owe money. if they would just answer the phone and tell us yes they can pay or no they can not then the calls would definitely slow down and almost desist. it is called responsibility and anyone who opens a credit card should know that they will have to pay the money back and that just paying mnimum due will get you nowhere.

Posted by: Oh please at 06/14/2009 11:41:17 PM

cabeli- I completely agree. Im a Collector as well. I'm not going to say that none of what was said in the article was true, but alot of it was made to look alot worse than it is (and some of it just doesn't apply to my company I guess). And my manager (or any manager at my company) is nothing like that...you blew it? lol sounds like a bad line out of a movie. Basically if the person Im talking to is polite so am I...but if you start acting like your debt is MY fault and screaming and swearing...I will promptly end the call and rude people tend to get alot more calls than someone who calmly politely explains themselves...its all in the coding lol.

Posted by: #1COLLECTOR at 07/10/2009 01:49:35 PM

EXCUSES COME IN ALL FORMS. BOTTOM LINE IS IF YOU SIGN YOUR NAME YOU'RE PLAYING THE GAME. IF YOU OWE IT, YOU KNOW IT, AND SO COULD ANYONE WATCHING, OR RECORDING, OR KEEPING TRACK OF YOUR CARELESSNESS. COLLECTING IS A SERVICE TO EVERYONE CONNECTED WITH THE FINANCIAL MARKET IN ANY WAY. IT CUTS DOWN ON INTEREST RATES CHARGED AND IT KEEPS SMALL COMPANIES IN BUSINESS, WHICH HELPS THE ECONOMY. NO ONE PUT A GUN TO ANYONE'S HEAD AND MADE THEM SIGN ON THAT PROVERBIAL BOTTOM LINE. ONCE YOU MAKE YOUR MARK, YOU'RE SWEARING YOU WILL ABIDE BY THE TERMS OF THE ACCOUNT OR CONTRACT, PERIOD. COURTS ARE STARTING TO REALIZE THAT THESE PETTY CASES CAN BE SOLVED BY A MAGISTRATES CLERK, FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR. IT'S TIME TO MAN-UP AND PAY YOUR FAIR DEBT TO SOCIETY...YOU'RE LUCKY COLLECTORS ARE SO NICE AND YOU HAVE SO MANY FEDERAL LAWS TO SUPPORT YOUR...BEHAVIOR, BUT JUST REMEMBER, THE FEDERAL LAWS ARE STILL HEAVILY ON THE SIDE OF THE CREDITOR AND THEY'RE COMING TO GET YOU. THE BUCK STOPS HERE! CHUCK

Posted by: Robert at 07/27/2009 06:27:17 PM

...i am a collector myself and have been for a while and this article seems like the author may have had bad experiences with collectors in the past...i have worked with idiots that use words like "proceedings" or "filed a claim" trying to intimidate. i myself have never found the need to use terms like this..i simply keep it real and talk to the person. sure not everyone pays and you must first realize that and the sooner you do the better off you will be. it is bad collectors ...that give the industry a bad name. and as far as the author of this article goes pay your damn bills already instead of wasting time holding the hands of people who dont.

Posted by: John Brown at 08/02/2009 07:17:47 AM

I have question for collectors on this post...I have unpaid credit cards, that I chose to stop paying for past 3 yrs due to failed business. All secured debt was kept current but not the unsecured credit cards that I applied for online. Total owed is $14k. Debt has been purchased by 5 different collection companies but no summons yet. If collectors can sue why haven't they? They cannot call me cuz no good ph # on my credit report. They have my address and name but I don't even think that they have my ssn since debt was purchased so many times now...Why haven't they sued?

Posted by: Amber at 08/06/2009 06:13:59 PM

To answer your question . . . NOT ALL collection companies want to sue. If the account is past the stat to sue in your state then they cant legally sue. BUT you do have to worry about a 1099C filing with the IRS for misc earned income. Alot of people think that if the account is off of their credit report that it cant be collected on. THEY ARE WRONG. Federal law will collect on debt for 21 years. I dont understand why people just dont take responsibility for their unpaid bills. I know it is hard out there right now but even a monthly payment of $25 a month might start clearing up old debt. I wish that everyone could be a collector for one day . . .then maybe they would understand and take the time to listen. I have clients in my office that just lost their job . . .and what we did with those accounts is pushed them out for 6 months WITHOUT a collection call to give them a chance to get a new job and get caught back up( have you ever heard of a collection agency doing that!!) I would say the 90% of the collection industry is bad and ONLY 10% are like my company who really want to help. Believe it or not there are collection companies that want to help the consumer NOT put them in a worse spot. I have been a collector for almost 5 years, and it hasent been easy. People dont take the time to listen they just scream and hang up. There are soo many laws that protect the consumer but NOT the debt collector...When I first started in this business I probaly went home at least 2 a week upset or ready to quit because I could not believe how rude people are just because they owe money, or how a sweet 80 year old women threatened to kill me and my family. I wanted to tell them GET OVER IT AND PAY THE BILL but that is NOT how my company works. ( sorry I had to vent a little ) . . . The bottom line is to not assume that ALL collection companies are bad and to at least hear them out.

Posted by: John Stelling at 08/15/2009 12:27:26 AM

Greetings Amber...You should be thanking debtors for not paying, otherwise you would not have a job....

Posted by: AMBER at 08/18/2009 05:32:49 PM

I dont think that people NOT paying their obligations is a good thing. Yes, I am grateful to have a job, but there are other jobs out there. Think if everyone paid their bills, this world would be better off and if it meant that I was going to be jobless, then I WELCOME IT!

Posted by: Laura at 08/20/2009 10:49:38 AM

I've been in collections and accounts recievable at various companies from new a/r, to front end collections, to aged accounts, to actually working for a law firm & filing the suits & executing on the judgements, for about 15 years. Currently I work for a mortgage company in collections. At no time have I seen the kind of behavior you're talking about as a standard business practice. I know it exists, but it is not the standard, most companies are fully aware of the reprecussions of violating consumers rights and the FDCPA and train their employees accordingly. This kind of article gives those of us out there just doing our jobs a bad name.

Posted by: AMBER at 08/21/2009 07:50:25 PM

LAURA I agree!

Posted by: Roberta at 08/27/2009 05:57:52 PM

Amber/ Laura, I understand you're coming from a different side of this, so wanted to get your take on a situation. My boyfriend has been dealing with a collections agency regarding a cell phone bill. He spoke with a representative yesterday morning and made arragnments to call later in the day to make a payment. However, when he called in the afternoon, the original rep put someone else on the phone who said they were a manager, and that person said the arrangment made earlier was no good.Their exact words were "I don't care what the other person said", and demanded the full amount immediately. Not only is that a sneaky move and completely unfair, I would think that action would be illegal. What do you think?

Posted by: Alex at 08/27/2009 11:58:02 PM

Roberta, if it isn't in writing it didn't happen.

Posted by: AMBER at 08/29/2009 12:15:35 PM

ROBERTA, Alex is right if it is not in writing it didnt happen. What you can to is have your boyfriend call and said that he will only pay what settlement was made before and NOT A PENNY MORE. They will try to say that the settlement is NOT acceptable, and your boyfriend can say this is my final offer. If you dont mind me asking how much is the bill.( mabey I can help!!!!)

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