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The Complexities of Roth Conversions

Roth conversions don't make sense for everyone. But with new rules in 2010, it's wise to run the numbers.

By Rachel L. Sheedy, Managing Editor, Kiplinger's Retirement Report

January 1, 2010
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EDITOR'S NOTE: This is a revised version of an article originally published in the December 2009 issue of Kiplinger's Retirement Report. To subscribe, click here.

To Roth or not to Roth? With 2010 around the corner, that’s a question many of you may be asking. Come New Year’s Day, the $100,000 income ceiling to qualify for a Roth IRA conversion finally lifts. But just because you can convert to a Roth IRA doesn’t mean you should.

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For retirees and those approaching retirement, the conversion decision hinges on a number of factors: your retirement-income needs, current and future tax bracket, life expectancy and legacy goals. The expected rate of return on your investments will make a difference, too. It is wise to run the numbers to see if converting at least some money to a Roth in 2010 makes sense.

Roth IRAs have attractive features. Roth money can be withdrawn tax-free once certain conditions are met. Plus, account owners never have to take required minimum distributions, so the money can grow in the tax shelter for as long as you choose.

The downside: You have to pay income tax on the amount you convert. Usually, the tax bill comes due in the year of the conversion. In 2010 only, you can delay reporting the conversion for one year, and then split the converted amount in half on your 2011 and 2012 returns, paying part of the tax in 2012 and part in 2013.

When a Roth Conversion Makes Sense

A Roth IRA can be beneficial in the long term because of the power of compounded tax-free growth. The longer you can wait to tap the Roth, the more time the money has to grow tax-free. Converting assets that you won’t need to live on in the early years of retirement is generally more advantageous.

An analysis by T. Rowe Price considered a 65-year-old retiree who has a traditional IRA of $100,000 and $28,750 in a taxable account. All accounts grow at 6% a year. The retiree plans withdrawals of 4% a year, with 3% annual inflation adjustments. The analysis looks at two scenarios: converting and not converting.

If the retiree converts using his taxable account to pay the tax, after ten years the Roth provides about $500 less overall, after taxes, as compared with the nonconversion scenario. Converting is a wash because the Roth hasn’t had much time to grow tax-free. Also, the RMDs from 70 to 75 for the traditional IRA aren’t higher than the planned withdrawals.

But in this analysis, RMDs start to exceed planned withdrawals at age 77. From this age on, the traditional IRA starts to deplete faster than the Roth and converting starts to compare more favorably. By age 95, after taxes, the Roth conversion is worth more than the traditional IRA and taxable account by 10%, or about $27,000. Christine Fahlund, senior financial planner for T. Rowe Price, notes that the age at which the Roth conversion becomes more favorable can vary depending on factors such as tax brackets and market returns.

If you would otherwise be in the same tax bracket or a higher bracket in retirement, a Roth conversion could help keep your future tax liability in check. Roth distributions won’t boost your overall taxable income. Lower taxable income could make you eligible for certain tax breaks that phase out at higher income levels. Also, tax-free Roth distributions don’t count in the equation for taxing Social Security benefits.

For people who don’t need the IRA money to live on, converting can help free your IRA assets from RMDs. Perhaps you have pension payments and only need $10,000 a year in IRA distributions. If your RMD is $15,000, you could convert enough to keep your distribution at $10,000. And that lower RMD could reduce your tax bracket. “With required minimums, people lock into certain tax rates,” says Ken Kilday, a certified financial planner for USAA.

If your potential estate is hovering near the federal estate-tax exemption, converting to a Roth could eliminate or reduce your estate’s tax bill. The money you use to pay income taxes on the conversion will no longer be in your estate and that could help lower your estate below the exemption threshold. (Congress is expected to keep the federal exemption at $3.5 million.)

Heirs can benefit from a conversion in other ways. Although beneficiaries are subject to mandatory distributions on inherited Roths, they don’t have to pay income tax on the withdrawals. “An IRA is like a house with a mortgage. A Roth IRA is a house that’s paid off,” says Kilday.

Heirs can also stretch out the withdrawals from an inherited Roth IRA over their life expectancies. That would let the Roth grow tax-free for decades more.

If you convert early in 2010 and plan to pay the tax in 2012 and 2013, set aside the money in assets that won’t fluctuate much, such as a money-market fund or a fixed-income investment. “That money shouldn’t be invested in stocks,” says Lynn Mayabb, senior managing advisor with BKD Wealth Advisors, in Kansas City, Mo. If the account were to go down in value, you might not have the money when the tax is due.

When Not to Roth

If you plan to donate money from a traditional IRA to a charity, either while you’re alive or as a bequest, do not convert that money to a Roth. You would needlessly pay taxes, with no additional benefit for the charity. The tax bill on a traditional IRA is waived when the money goes to charity.

Also, if your motive for the conversion is to give tax-free money to your heirs, you may not want to convert if the beneficiaries are likely to be in a lower tax bracket when they get the money than you are now. You’ll pay more in taxes to convert than your heirs would have to pay if they inherited a traditional IRA.


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Reader Comments (13)

Posted by: Dan at 02/02/2010 01:43:14 PM

You stated that all of the money converted to a Roth is taxable. What about the basis? Suppose my existing standard IRA was all made with nondeductible contributions?

Posted by: Mark at 02/02/2010 05:11:16 PM

If you don't think your tax rate will be raised in the future, you haven't been paying attention. Converting to Roth IRA now and paying lower tax due (rather than paying later with traditional) seems like the best play. I'm at 25% tax rate now, but don't think a minute it will stay there even in my retirement years. CONVERT while you still can!!!

Posted by: videomandw at 02/02/2010 05:40:26 PM

how can you be so stupid as to think every reader knows what an "rmd" is. how about explaining your acronyms. i am in the video business and can throw all sorts of video acronyms at you....would you understand them...i doubt it. i finally figured it out after looking all over your article.hello, wake up

Posted by: Kerry at 02/03/2010 10:39:35 AM

I think it should be stated that the only difference in return on a traditional vs. Roth IRA is the percent of tax paid, not whether you pay it before or after, or how long you have it invested. This is a mathmatical truth. Test it - take a defined contribution amount, over a set amount of time, growing at a set rate; calculate one scenario with the tax coming out before investing and one after withdrawling. If you take the same percent (tax) out of both, the return is the same. It's confused in the wording above. For instance, the reason Bryon Hopkins example shows a difference in return is because he uses 35% tax on the Roth conversion and only 15% on the traditional. It has nothing to do with the amount of time the investment grows. In the real world, if you converted all 500K at once, you most likely would be taxed in the highest bracket. And, if your only income during retirement was the 71,000 you withdrew from your Roth, you would be in a lower bracket. But, his example is a lesson in retirement tax brackets, not in whether or not to invest in a Roth. It's still a good article to get your head in the right place when considering a Roth.

Posted by: Tom at 02/03/2010 11:01:30 AM

This is the most thorough piece on roth conversions I've read. The more I read, the less benefit I see to doing one (seems to me there are many many cases where people would be better off leaving their money in a tIRA, with the glaring exception being people who hope to pass one on in legacy).

Posted by: William at 02/03/2010 06:12:45 PM

I would have thought that you would have brought out the inevitable! Taxes are going to be rising in the future. My children are going to be carring a bigger tax burden than I have had to carry for my parents! I totally agree, each case must be looked at carefully! It might not make sense to convert in "ToTo", but you might want to convert a portion of your Traditional IRA. I might suggest also, for people to take inflation into account, and put a portion into an inflationary hedge! To Deep, I agree!

Posted by: mal at 02/03/2010 11:34:54 PM

Could T. Rowe Price perform another analysis of the cited example with one change in conditions, that is there is no withdrawal planned by the retiree until age 80. I am curious as to how long after the conversion will the Roth IRA be worth (after taxes) more than the traditional IRA and taxable account. The Roth conversion could result in a very beneficial legacy for my two children, son 43 and daughter 40.

Posted by: andy at 02/14/2010 08:09:21 PM

your calculator program appears to have flaws. I am 73 and can't put in the age I want to start withdrawing. It can only be between 60-71. What if I don't want to withdraw but leave the $ for inheritance? You assume none of your readers are over age 59 1/2. suggest you revise the calculator program.

Posted by: D. Liebenberg at 04/07/2010 01:31:30 PM

Your calculator does NOT work for a person 80 yrs old. The requirement of 60 to 71 results in either a statement of "can't be younger than retirement age" or if 80 is inserted "must be 60 to 71". Hence the calculator is worthless to me.

Posted by: Richard at 04/18/2010 10:01:09 AM

You state: " the tax bill on a traditional IRA is waived when the money goes to charit"y. Wasn't that true only when a direct distribution to a charity was available? Washington allowed that for 2 years at a $100,000. maximum each year, but that legislation was allowed to expire and is no longer available.

Posted by: Richard at 04/21/2010 08:11:39 AM

My email to you dated 4/18/10 questioned the accuracy of the statement, " the tax bill on a traditional IRA is waived when the money goes to charity. Please answer my question, because if I'm right, your text contains a serious misstatement.

Posted by: Rachel Sheedy at 04/24/2010 12:17:09 AM

Hi, the author of this article here. In response to Richard's concerns, a couple of factors are at play here. Primarily, if you make a charity the beneficiary of a traditional IRA, at your death that IRA passes to the charity tax-free. But any withdrawals you’re forced to take under required minimum distribution rules could be taxed until the IRA passes to the charity at your death. As you mentioned in your posted comment, traditional IRA owners had the option of directing up to $100,000 from an IRA directly to a charity tax-free, but that option expired at the end of 2009. We at Kiplinger see reason for hope that it will be reinstated for 2010 and reinstated retroactive to January 1. If Congress doesn’t act and it does not get reinstated, you could be on the hook for tax if you take money out of your IRA, by choice or because of a required minimum distribution, and give it to charity. However, if you itemize on your tax return, you could take a charitable deduction, which would help offset the tax bill. (If you don’t itemize and take out IRA money to give to a charity, then it is possible that you could owe tax on the IRA money.) Hope this helps to clarify.

Posted by: Myshkin at 07/20/2010 11:16:27 PM

Comments posted in February and April noted that the calculator won't accept some scenarios older folks may wish to test - e.g., withdrawals after age 71. I'm a bit surprised and disappointed that Kiplinger's hasn't adjusted the calculator in the months since then to accommodate such scenarios, especially given their relevance to people wishing to tap their accounts as little and as late as possible (if at all) in order to maximize amounts passed to their beneficiaries. I would add that the calculator also insists that one continue to contribute. Presumably this means whether or not one converts - i.e., continue to contribute to a TIRA if one doesn't convert, or contribute to the Roth if one does convert. If so, the calculator doesn't work for someone who doesn't wish to contribute further to a TIRA - e.g., if it contains only deductible contributions and any further contributions would have to be nondeductible (with consequent bother about record-keeping and ratios). For that matter, it also wouldn't work for someone who doesn't wish to contribute further to a Roth for whatever reason. Of course, this could be worked around in each scenario by specifying a minimal contribution - say, $1/year - and realizing that the results would be only minimally affected, but why the arbitrary requirement?



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