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How Bad Can It Get?

A lot of what is taken for gospel about bear markets isn't true. The downturns aren't as bad as they seem when you include the effect of dividends.

By Steven Goldberg, Contributing Columnist, Kiplinger.com

February 23, 2009
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Before you bail out of stocks -- or start to invest again -- it may be worthwhile to look closely at stock-market history. How bad can the stock market get? How long does it take for you to get even after you hit bottom? The market's history offers valuable clues.

A lot of flawed information about the extent and duration of bear markets is being disseminated today. The information is faulty -- or at least misleading -- because it fails to account for the impact of dividends when computing total returns. Let's look at the real story (the data for this article was supplied by Ibbotson Associates, a subsidiary of Morningstar, the mutual fund tracker).

We'll start with the period from 1966 through 1982 -- an era during which many experts claim the stock market went nowhere. There's a grain of truth in this assertion. The Dow Jones industrial average reached a record intraday high of 1000 in 1966, but then meandered for years. It fell to 777 in August 1982 and didn’t close for good above 1000 until December of that year. The implication, of course, is that the typical stock-market investor earned nothing over that lengthy period.

But that calculation omits dividends. In fact, Standard & Poor's 500-stock index, the benchmark that most professionals prefer when discussing performance, returned an annualized 6.8% during that 17-year period.

The S&P 500 lost 29% from the end of November 1968 through June 1970. But it took just nine months -- until March 1971 -- for investors who had bought stocks at the peak to break even.

The 1973-74 selloff was one of the three worst bear markets since the Great Depression. The market plunged 43% from January 1973 through September 1974. If you had invested at the precise top, you would have made all your money back by June 1976 -- less than two years after the trough.

The current decade has been far worse than the 1970s. The S&P 500 plunged 47% from March 24, 2000, through October 9, 2002. It didn't recover until October 2006.

From the start of the current downturn on October 9, 2007, through February 23, the S&P 500 has tumbled 50% on a total-return basis. That makes this bear market the worst since the 1930s.

Indeed, this decade is already the worst in at least the past 100 years. The S&P 500 has fallen an annualized 3.6% since 2000. That compares with an annualized loss of 0.05% in the 1930s.

The bottom line is that unless we really are embarking on Great Depression II -- or something resembling it -- the worst of the decline is certainly behind us. I think we've already had our "lost decade."

So what happened to stocks during the Great Depression? The answer: terrible things. The market peaked in August 1929 and didn't touch bottom until nearly three years later, in June 1932. At its nadir, the market had lost 83%.

The market didn't decline in a straight line after the October '29 crash. Instead, its fall seemed devilishly designed to ensnare every investor. After sinking 31% by the end of 1929, the market rebounded smartly, gaining 18% by March 1930 before swooning again. Similar sucker's rallies took place over the ensuing two years, luring even investors who had waited for stocks to become cheap before they bought.

The market remained volatile throughout the decade, although the general path was upward. Fierce bull markets were followed by almost equally horrible bear markets. The last ended in April 1942. Hapless investors who bought stocks at the 1929 peak had to wait until January 1945 to break even.

Here again, though, much of the information about how long it took investors to recover from the Great Depression is inaccurate. I've read in numerous places that it took until 1954 for the market to recover. Well, that's true -- but only if you don't count dividends.

For long-term investors, the data about the Great Depression is heartening. If you're 45 or younger, and planning to work another 20 years or so, you can justify investing all of your retirement money in stocks. That is, unless you think this market collapse will be worse than the Great Depression, something that strikes me as utter nonsense. And, by the way, the S&P 500 now yields 3.4%, the highest level it's been at in years, because of the sharp decline in share prices and despite a raft of dividend cuts. That should help boost long-term future returns.

For investors with shorter time horizons, the hard numbers are likewise reassuring. I think the odds are overwhelming that we won't return to the 25% unemployment rate and bread lines of the Depression. Yes, times are tough. I have never seen an economy even remotely this bad. But economists know a lot more about how to get out of messes like this than they did in the early 1930s. And programs such as federal bank deposit insurance, Social Security and unemployment insurance -- not to mention assorted stimulus programs -- should keep the economy from spinning out of control.

Most of us know that large-company stocks have returned an annualized 10% since 1926 -- about twice what bonds have garnered. Inflation, meanwhile, has averaged 3% a year. But over the short term, the stock market is like a roller coaster. The trick is to keep a diversified portfolio, invest regularly until retirement, and not to try to outguess the market's short-term swings -- even swings as gut wrenching as the current one.

Steven T. Goldberg (bio) is an investment adviser and freelance writer.

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Posted by: RT at 02/23/2009 07:02:22 PM

What about 20 years of reinvested dividends in WAMU,BAC Citi and dozens of others that are worthless. If I didn't reinvest I'd have a fat bank account No more dividend reinvestment(which all the financial geniuses advocate) for me

Posted by: Joe De Polo at 02/23/2009 07:36:46 PM

Since I'm 65, I have half my money in cash or cash equivalents. My question is what will happen to the other half (now more like 15%) that has been invested in the stock market since the begining of the downturn? Will it come back before it's too late for me?

Posted by: Roy at 02/23/2009 07:58:42 PM

This is one of the most informative articles I have read recently. It is somewhat discouraging, though, to read that those who invested at the peak in 1929 had to wait 16 years to break even, even when dividends are counted! Lets hope it won't take 16 years this time around.

Posted by: Ellen at 02/24/2009 01:17:37 AM

Steve, Thanks for another great article!! I, too, hope it won't take another 16 years to break even. Like Joe, I wonder if it will come back before it is too late for me?

Posted by: Bob at 02/24/2009 12:22:37 PM

Good comment about considering the dividends but a bad idea about putting retirement savings all in stocks if you are under 45. Can FDIC, SS and unemployment insurance keep us from Great Depression II? They didn't pull us out of Great Depression I and weren't in place early enough to really know. How bad can it get? In the 1930s many people still lived on the farm and raised their own food. Today very few of us are as self sufficient as they were. Every modern grocery store is only three days and one semi from being empty. Hopefully, things will start getting better.

Posted by: RA at 02/24/2009 02:58:40 PM

Look at it this way, if the stocks in your mutual fund were down 50%, you really only lost 48%!! Half of the past return of the stock market has been in the form of dividends. The only problem is that companies do not like to pay dividends anymore and those that do are cutting them. So forget about 6.8% in the 70s, stocks pay 3% right now on average. Companies have found much better uses for the money such as stock repurchases at high levels to artificially increase earnings per share. Those have all been canceled now that the market is down and they are unaffordable. CEOs are great allocators of capital. Take for instance, Pfizer, which was able to overpay for Wyeth and cut its 8% dividend in half and suffer a 20% loss in stock price. Don't count on those dividends adding much to your return in the future. Them was the good ol' days.

Posted by: Phil Crane at 02/24/2009 02:59:46 PM

These long, time horizons are meaningless. "Annual return of 10% since 1926" - that was nearly 100 years ago. Yes, if you are still alive 100 years from now, you may be ok. But if you are looking at only the last 10 years, you lost your shirt. Get out of stocks, cancel the cable, and pay off your debt. The drop since Nov. is only the opening act of Depression II.

Posted by: Syd Smith at 02/24/2009 03:05:13 PM

Thank God for some good news. I don't know if you're right or wrong, I'm only smart enough to try to hold on and not panic. If you have to sell to stay afloat, sell. But if people wouldn't sell, the market wouldn't drop. I'm partially disabled, but don't qualify, my whole future is tied up in the market. I can't sell, not now.

Posted by: seyelda at 02/24/2009 09:09:48 PM

If you had $100,000 in the stock market in early 2007 and lost 50% you now have $50,000. If the market turns and you go up 50% you now have $75,000. The market would need to go up 100% to get back to even. Staying in a dying market is stupid and costly.

Posted by: David Weiss at 02/24/2009 11:38:08 PM

You do a great disservice in presenting skewed data to propogate the "stocks for the long term" myth. Stocks can and do lose money for periods extending over decades. Somehow you leave off the year 1929 when you say that the market had an annualized loss of 0.05% in the 1930s, not to mention that the market was then flat to down for the first five years of the 40s. When you say that the 70s were not as bad as represented, you forget the significant inflation during that period that produced devasting negative returns in real terms. When you say that the dividend yield is the highest it has been in years, you neglect to mention that it is still lower than it has been in most of its history, other than the last 15 years. What is truly the shame is...many will take it as their recommendation and unbiased reporting, instead of the biased cheerleading for stocks that it is.

Posted by: sandrew at 02/26/2009 10:01:16 AM

What is stupid and costly is thinking that this is a dying market. Many people think themselves investors when they don't have what it takes. Neither the knowledge nor the discipline to determine a proper asset allocation, and then the discipline to stay the course. If you really believe that the US Economy is going down the tubes forever, then sell, and don't buy gold, buy bullets. If you don't believe that, then know your limitations before you act. Most people do not.

Posted by: Robert at 03/01/2009 10:08:12 PM

The crash of 2008 has exposed too much corruption for me. I'm out of the market forever. This is no place for the average investor, not even in conservative mutual funds. The entire system is rigged to favor the insiders and people who have tools and information not available to the little guy. All they will do is suck you dry if you're a long-term investor. The actual gains hardly keep ahead of inflation.

Posted by: oldster at 03/02/2009 10:26:45 PM

I just read your column written on March 4, 2008 in which you were sure that by the summer, the bull market would return. You dismissed the credit crisis as little more than annoyance. The securitization of mortgages and the further invention of derivatives helped create this nightmare. Nobody is going to trust this market for years, if ever.

Posted by: grayce at 03/11/2009 01:09:30 AM

I have to disagree that this is not going to be as bad as the great depression. I believe we haven't seen the worst yet and I have no faith in the economists or the govt. to "keep it from spinning out of control". The whole mortgage issue and being a credit not cash economy is the result of both. Most conscious people would know they can't keep robbing Peter to pay Paul with out it catching up to them. That is exactly what the government has been doing for years and now we are all going to suffer the consequences.

Posted by: charles tittle at 03/12/2009 03:45:26 PM

the whole stock market is a scam. every time i get money built up, the market goes down and i lose it. but the broker and the government still get their part while all I get is taxed. I wish I could get out of it.

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