Many Companies Fear the Worst from New Immigration Rules

A crackdown aimed at illegal immigrants has firms worried that the sky is falling -- and for some, that may prove to be the case.

By Elizabeth Banks, Intern, The Kiplinger Letters

August 21, 2007
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New government regulations will take a big toll on many roofing contractors, restaurants, hotels, farms and other service sector companies that rely on immigrant labor. An already tight market for low-skilled workers will get much tighter as the regulations push illegal immigrants out of jobs, sometimes with dire consequences.

Some firms will go out of business and others will be forced to raise prices as their own labor costs skyrocket, assuming they can get workers at all. Firms that can do so will be more inclined to outsource, but a roofing contractor, a hotel owner or a farmer doesn't have that option. The National Roofing Contractors Association says its members face a shortfall of 70,000 employees over the next five years. The agricultural sector's needs are much bigger, although there's a good chance Congress will come to their aid and provide more guest workers just for harvesting.

The reason for the upheaval: new Homeland Security Department rules aimed at about 8 million illegal immigrant workers and the employers who hire them. Starting sometime in September, the government will send out thousands of so-called no-match letters each week. The letters, sent to employers with 10 or more no-match cases, will identify discrepancies in the names and Social Security numbers filed by employers and those that the government has on file. In the past, the no-match letters were merely advisory, but now they will pack a punch -- a big fine if employers don't act within 90 days to either clear up the problem or fire the employee.

Employers predict chaos. They say no one -- and especially not the government -- is prepared to handle this bureaucratic chore. They point to an 11-year-old pilot program that identifies millions of no-match cases that turn out to be innocent errors -- a typo, a computer glitch or an employee who changed names because of marriage or divorce and never informed the government. Homeland Security officials say they are working to improve the database and that clerical problems can be cleared up in the 90-day period and shouldn't be a major problem.

Employers worry that any immigrant, legal or not, who is questioned about a discrepancy will disappear the next day. And firms that run into difficulty clearing problems may take the easy way out and fire innocent workers whose paperwork wasn't in order, resulting in unfair dismissals and any number of lawsuits.

On the other hand, the government says that only those in the U.S. illegally will lose their jobs, and if they can't get another one, they'll leave the country. At the same time, Bush administration officials say they will keep pushing Congress to pass more comprehensive reform to allow more legal immigrants into the U.S. to fill job vacancies. They acknowledge some worker shortages will occur but insist breaking the law by hiring illegal immigrants isn't an answer.

Firms say displaced workers, both legal and illegal, will just take a series of short-term jobs, find an unscrupulous employer who'll pay them off the books, depriving the government of tax revenue -- or worse, turn to crime to put food on the table. Farm groups warn that there'll be a shortage of homegrown crops, forcing more unsafe imports from places such as China. "Is the American public ready for that?" asks Craig Silvertooth, a cochairman of the Essential Worker Immigration Coalition, which fought for a comprehensive immigration bill.

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Reader Comments (55)

Posted by: Nomen at 08/21/2007 09:03:51 AM

It's about time. If every business in my area that hires illegals would close tomorrow, it would be a blessing. I am outraged that my tax money is being spent to educate their kids and pay for their health care. I am tired of paying higher car insurance to pay for them driving around illegally and uninsured. ID theft is running rampant and much of it traces back to them. I didn't serve in the military to protect my country, only to watch it be invaded by law breaking illegals with the help of greedy unethical businessmen and with the aid of corrupt politicians.

Posted by: madmilker at 08/21/2007 10:00:28 AM

> Is that the one based in Bentonville, AR?

Posted by: Keith Jordan at 08/21/2007 01:29:49 PM

It is about time that we get the illegals out of the job market! We need wages to go up and the laws that are on the books to be enforced. Our middle class in this country has been under attack for to long and needs to be given every opportunity to pursue happiness as well as companies.

Posted by: Wolfy at 08/21/2007 01:44:08 PM

Why are we treating our hard-working guest workers like criminals? It's time the U.S., Canada, and Mexico dropped their immigration barriers like what happened when the European Union was formed. In the EU, no visas are required to move about Western Europe and they don't have the labour problems the U.S. has.

Posted by: Tim at 08/21/2007 02:17:34 PM

Ahhh, that's too bad that we are enforcing our laws wo stop ID theft. Kiplingers should be ashamed for having this garbage on their website. Sounds like this intern is a bleeding heart and doesn't mind when multiple employees match a single SSN.

Posted by: BILLY AKERMAN at 08/21/2007 05:26:06 PM

It's a shame when people are so blinded to all the issues that are out there because of illegal immigrants. first & foremost is that they are not a guest in this country, THEY ARE TRESPASSING! Let them enter this country like the immigrants did 100 years ago. file their papers & wait to enter legally. If you want them to pay taxes like us americans, we should remove all taxes across the board except for consumtion tax as explained in the fair tax plan. that has been bouncing around congress for the last 10 years. This is America, all are welcomed here but let's do it legally. as for the ones who don't want to follow the rules & learn to speak english... go somewhere else.

Posted by: Rose at 08/21/2007 05:32:28 PM

Identity theft is a crime where the thief steals your info to get credit cards and into your bank account, and I'm sick of everyone blaming immigrants for this crime. You call them "unskilled", but it takes a pretty smart hacker to get into your personal info. I do not support trusting other countries to provide fruits and vegetables that can easily be grown here. Immigrants have been coming here for generations to do this work, and you insist on treating them as less than human. And just because you served in the armed forces doesn't mean you have a right to be legally racist.

Posted by: Concerned Roofer at 08/21/2007 05:47:15 PM

Keith Jordan - we are hiring roofers with experience starting at $20/hr and still cannot find anyone that wants to do the job. Why don't you come and apply since you are having such a hard time finding a job..........didn't think so, you could not handle the job just like any other American.......there are many jobs that your type would never apply for.

Posted by: Bobby at 08/21/2007 06:15:55 PM

I can't believe the wimpiness of some of these companies. Crying all the time because they can't exploit low cost labor, that frees them from paying for the social costs they should be responsible for and shifts it onto the taxpayers. It seems to me that the management of these companies are really a sorry bunch of clowns with no creativity or immagination.

Posted by: gwork at 08/21/2007 06:39:49 PM

I can't believe how much hatred there is towards immigrants. I bet if everyone of you who contstantly complain had to walk a day in these people's shoes you'd change the attitude. After all we are all immigrants right?

Posted by: Winghunter at 08/21/2007 07:19:22 PM

I'm very disappointed the infamous "How much more is America willing to pay for their hambugers?" nonsense wasn't used in this article...How many hamburgers does $340 Billion a year pay for now because that's how much we unwillingly pay for illegal alien support and that's a conservative estimate. These are asinine excuses for a nonexistant problem from employers who refuse to see anything except their bottom line.

Posted by: guy at 08/21/2007 10:25:21 PM

man my heart is bleeding i hope we do enforce our laws .i think our country will surive. but with the liberals plus all the minoritys which include blacks asians latinos muslims on and onsupporting ammnesty i think were gone

Posted by: Roger Jesey at 08/21/2007 10:39:52 PM

You mean the government wasn't already doing this. WOW. About time. I'm happy to pay more if it means I will be rewarding those who stood in line and got their citizenship like our parents and grandparents.

Posted by: Susan at 08/22/2007 02:16:28 AM

Illegals work for less, rely on welfare and free medical at our expense so that the employer doesn't have to pay good wage and benefits. Tired of having to press 1 to hear English, Send them home and get our welfare mammas and deadbeat daddies to take the jobs they leave.

Posted by: Erik at 08/22/2007 05:14:53 AM

I have no sympathy for companies that suffer hardships because they break the law. Criminals hiring criminals. Ms. Banks says, "Employers worry that any immigrant, legal or not, who is questioned about a discrepancy will disappear the next day." If they do, I'm sure there's a reason. You don't run if you have nothing to fear. Get the illegal immigrants out. Send them back to whatever country they came from. Uncle Sam should have shut the door years ago. Now it’s time to take out the trash.

Posted by: Farmer at 08/22/2007 09:47:23 AM

All you uninformed Americans who want to send Mexican immigrants who work on farms back better think seriously about the future cost of your food and its origin. Americans will not do farm work; farmers don't knowingly hire illegals, most illegals pay taxes, SS & Medicare and are paid ompetitive wages.

Posted by: cadenzarose at 08/22/2007 10:01:20 AM

I cannot believe Kiplinger would lower itself to such pressure. Get the illegals out, make liveable wages for those here. Read Roy Beck's book and see the video on Utube...It will help you see the reality. Blacks especially need watch out--illegals and immigration are forcing many down from the middle class. Same lie they used with child labour sweat shops and tomatoes...both became more efficient and cheaper!!

Posted by: Dave at 08/22/2007 10:21:19 AM

Yes we need immigration reform and to deal with illegal immigrants. But are you consumers ready to pay much more for the services these people provide when our labor rates go up significantly? Do that many Americans really want these type of jobs? We have a need for these laborers and they have a need for a job. The laws should have ALWAYS been enforced and not let it grow to the level it is now. A dramatic change now is not healthy for any of us. There will be A LOT of people affected, more than meets the eye at first, so let's all compromise a little and come up with a fair, long term plan that addresses all the issues.

Posted by: Benny at 08/22/2007 10:26:41 AM

These people are taking the jobs that nobody wants. Yet it is essential to our growing economy. All americans will be paying more out of their pockets. If a person feels that illegals are taking their unskilled jobs then go back to school. If they do this more americans will be able to see this problem in a different way rather than to discriminate.

Posted by: D Reinlie at 08/22/2007 10:35:48 AM

It is about time we stop turning a blind eye, to the immigration wave that is turning our country into Mexico North. If I wanted to live in Mexico I will go there to live. We are losing our culture.

Posted by: Donnie Smith at 08/22/2007 10:46:39 AM

Elizabeth Banks must be living in a vacuum, but likely she is a liberal democrat if she believes Europe does not have immigrant labor problems. Does she believe this country will simply go into chaos if we begin terminating illegal immigrants because they have entered the US illegally and illegally obtained fraudulent documents? Just like the her fellow democrats, I believe it will be quite the reverse: There will be less chaos in our emergency rooms, our schools, our welfare system, our retirement system, our factories, and the construction industry. Less chaos translates into lower costs for each and every LEGAL American. As an employer that hires tradesmen, almost 100 percent Mexican, I wonder what Elizabeth Banks’ point is? I have to hire cheap Mexican labor to compete with other companies like mine who hire the cheap Mexican labor. These are workers with little or no skill, have a less than adequate work ethic, they take longer on a given task, they are unable to recognize true quality, and more often than not use drugs. Because they are already criminals by entering this country illegally, they find it easy to steal from my company and my neighbors. And if Elizabeth Banks thinks terminating them will increase my costs she needs to stop using the “new math.” It is high time that this problem is addressed. It’s just too bad we cannot deport the ignorant people like this author!

Posted by: Bj at 08/22/2007 10:57:05 AM

It's about time I was born unfortunatly in the US and was fired last year in Florida because I did not speak spanish and was unable to find work because I chose to speak ENGLISH and not spanish, thus forcing me to leave my ill parents to fend for themselves so I could have a place to live and food for MY USA English Speaking Family.

Posted by: Ed Weirdness at 08/22/2007 11:08:32 AM

One need look no farther than the dumpster behind any grocery store, restaurant, school, military facility, hospital, etc, to realize that we throw away almost as much fresh produce as we consume. Farmers are subsidized to overproduce, and our tax dollars pay for this excess... The increased population from immigration, legal as well as illegal, results in overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, pollution, all stressing our vanishing farmland and green space, and all requiring further tax dollars. The increased burdens of education, health care, crime, etc; again more tax dollars. For most of us, we've never actually seen the cost of food decline as the result of farmers using "low cost alternatives" to hiring American workers. A gallon of milk costs more than a gallon of gas. The family farm has been destroyed as a result of our agriculture and immigration policies.... I would imagine, given recent food safety concerns, that many American's would be willing to do the same for foods produced and harvested by their friends, neighbors, family, American Citizens in general. Personally, I'd love to work outdoors, provided I could earn enough to allow me to live with dignity within the community..... Any business that is dependent on "tax payer funded" alternatives to hiring American workers, has neither the products, services or management skill sets necessary to remain an ongoing concern. Certainly not at the cost of American's economic, social or cultural interests!

Posted by: Mongo at 08/22/2007 11:10:39 AM

Sure. As soon as the undocumented population disappears, bricklayers will start making 30/hr. And there is a gold pot at the end of the rainbow. Mongo

Posted by: Ed Weirdness at 08/22/2007 11:15:40 AM

Foreign aid deals aside, isn't it a fact that the United States exports more food than it imports? When you consider what's at stake, the prospect of paying a few cents more for grapes, or returning to a "seasonal diet" (America has the most obese population on the planet!), the fear mongering about skyrocketing food prices and food shortages only adds to American's mistrust of Government, and increasingly, the business and farming communities.

Posted by: Ed Weirdness at 08/22/2007 11:25:44 AM

Europe doesn't have the "labour" problems that we have in the U.S. What Europe are you looking at? Many Europeans stopped looking for jobs because it's easier and more profitable to come to the United States. Europe's arcane systems of pensions and social services are grinding towards collapse. Virtually every industrialized nation has or is implementing regulations to eliminate illegal immigration, and to curtail to the greatest extent possible, legal immigration. Most nations have created policies that select candidates for immigration based on needed skills and trades, while others base such policies on the requirement that candidates for immigration not burden welfare or social services. That overall European populations are stable or declining, despite record immigration numbers, should be a clue that everything isn't "ros"y there.

Posted by: Larry at 08/22/2007 01:11:44 PM

When we hire people to do work for our company we make sure that only American citizens work for that company. It is too easy to cross reference Social Security numbers of the individuals to check them out. Also all personal must Speak,Read and Write English if not they are not hired

Posted by: M. Kasick at 08/22/2007 01:30:48 PM

I'm surprised that Kiplinger would bring this issue up. First of all, if they are illegal that's breaking our laws. I was born here and expected to follow the laws. Yes, some innocent people may lose jobs, but no system is perfect. As to those who say they could not stay in business without low cost labor, then get out of business, a better business person will make it work as slavery was abolished under Pres. Lincoln. And finally, ask the families of the four students in Newark who were killed by illegal aliens. No country wants our trash dumped on them. As John Stossel would say,"Give me a break".

Posted by: Jeffrey Allen at 08/22/2007 01:44:39 PM

Skyrocketing prices for using other than able US workers is just a smoke screen/scare tactic. Lou Dobb's agricultural report indicated price increase of food being maybe 3%. And statistics indicate Americans don't object to minor price increases if it means returning jobs and increasing national security against Mexico's influx of narcotics muled in by illegals. Why is it that unemployment in Las Vegas is on the rise for the last 4 months? Because the legislatures like Harry Reid welcome with open arms the invasion of illegals that are comprising nearly 30% of the hotel-casino jobs in Las Vegas. How about those jobs at 6 Swift Meat Packing plants that were (finally) raided by ICE for illegals with fraudulent social security cards with the companies knowledge. When the jobs opened up; American citizens lined up around the block to REapply for their old jobs. Just a realty check from www.GlobalCrossroadsCapital.com

Posted by: Larry at 08/22/2007 01:52:31 PM

It's about time we quit penalizing the individuals/corporations that have morals and ethics. They choose to run their businesses within the law and then lose the contracts to the businesses running illegally. The former pay their fair share of taxes. The latter avoid them. We all pay for the actions of the illegal business enterprises. Don't worry about the labor "shortages." It is amazing how technology, HS kids and those needing a second income (to pay for our too high tax rates) will fill the void. Next we need to go after all of the "freebies." Yet, another attempt by "big brother" to control the masses. Again high taxes with no return of real value. There are many other reasons we need to become inhospitable. Legal is fine. That is this country. Violation of laws and overpopulating of one culture is not.

Posted by: Bill at 08/22/2007 02:03:17 PM

So those illegals displaced will "turn to crime" rather than return to their countries of origin? Oh, by all means then, lets have another few million modle citizens such as these pour over our borders. I'm so distressed that employers won't be able to hire the economic equivilent of slave labor, and provide them with no benefits so the rest of the community can provide them services such as healthcare for free.

Posted by: CHARLES MILLER at 08/22/2007 03:57:22 PM

If you want to get rid of the problem....For every illegal, the Goverment should allow a highly educated person come in from another Nation, to take over the over educated workers jobs, it would end right away.Start with allowing around 25 million into the US, then around 150,000 per month. When the rich start getting displaced, then yes things will change, otherwise its all smoke and mirrors. Go even deeper then people who employ more then 10 people also. Charles

Posted by: Bob V at 08/22/2007 04:10:38 PM

I have to agree with this statement by Bill. "Employers won't be able to hire the economic equivilent of slave labor, and provide them with no benefits so the rest of the community can provide them services such as healthcare for free." We have seen the Ca. health care in perill because of this. I have seen the welfare and human services dept overrun with the task of supporting and caring for illegals. As citizens of the US we have to get past this point. You would be surprised how many US born high school age legals cannot find a job because they are all filled. Especially when the economy takes a hit. We are going in the right direction.

Posted by: Harry at 08/22/2007 04:44:45 PM

Follow the rule of Law, and forget all the rest of the Bull S___ , which is just politics anyway...period

Posted by: Mark Willen at 08/22/2007 04:46:22 PM

I’m the senior editor at Kiplinger who worked on this story with Elizabeth Banks. The quantity and intensity of the comments, as well as many e-mails and phone calls, illustrate what has become obvious about the immigration issue. It is an emotional, complex problem that divides the public sharply and doesn’t lend itself to any easy or simple consensus solutions. I won’t try to respond to the specific points made here, and I think this is actually a very useful debate, but I would like to clarify our mission at Kiplinger for those who think we have failed somehow. I don’t think there is anything in the story that shows bias. It does not take a position. Kiplinger, in all our writings about immigration – has never advocated passage of one bill or another (or argued for doing nothing.) Taking sides is not what we’re about. Our aim is to do our best to analyze prevailing views and political or market forces and then forecast what is likely to happen and why it matters to businesses and individuals. The emphasis is always on what it all means for business. That’s why Kiplinger.com refers to business forecasts and why we have the Kiplinger Business Resource Center. This particular story reflects our best forecast of the impact when the new administration rules take effect. Some see that as arguing against the rules, but I don’t agree with that at all. Many employers say they hire illegal immigrants because no Americans want the jobs. Many Americans diagree. Frankly, at least some of the evidence supports the employers. For example, roofers in some markets are paying more than $20 an hour because they have to compete with each other for competent workers willing to do this sometimes- unpleasant job (i..e in 100+ temperatures). I’ve had more than one roofing contractor tell me that only illegal immigrants were willing to work in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina to repair roofs even in outlying areas. Do some employers hire illegal immigrants? Obviously. About 8 million illegals have jobs. Do some employers do this knowingly? Obviously. But what our story says, and I have no doubt this is true, is that a wholesale dismissal of illegals will lead to some serious disruptions. Paying a lot more for labor will drive some firms out of business or force many Americans to pay higher prices for goods and services. That’s a fact and this story’s aim – and Kiplinger’s obligation - is to point this out. It may well be that stopping illegal immigration by drying up jobs is a necessary first step to creating an alternative approach to filling jobs. But it’s not our place to argue for or against that. We do think the new rules will have a big impact and that this isn’t being adequately talked about by other media outlets. So we wanted to alert everyone to that. And we think that’s our job. It was certainly our intention.

Posted by: Tony at 08/22/2007 04:50:04 PM

In addition to the other points made in reference to this article, I would add the following. Many of these businesses have imposed costs on their customers, neighbors, and fellow citizens through hiring of illegals. The added social burden of health care, crime, education, and low income housing are real costs. Because they are low income, they do not pay enough taxes to nearly pay their costs and they tend to stay in poverty for generations. Moreover, I am aware of a number of employers who hire only illegals, "collect" taxes from their pay but pocket it as added profit. Moreover, these businesses punish their competitors who do not hire illegals because of the artifical cost basis. I would rather pay a bit more for my hamburger or vegatable or new roof than suffer the impacts to infrastructure imposed by illegal immigration which, by the way, is substantially greater than 8 million. When I lived in Southern California in the 1980s, the census said we had that many there alone. I have to believe the number has grown and that it not just isolated to So Calif. Finally, what really gets me is to see illegals working on government projects ... taxpayer funded projects ... like roads, etc.

Posted by: Hossridr at 08/22/2007 06:39:51 PM

I understand Kiplinger's position. I don't think the article is biased either. However, in many U.S. newspapers there is bias in their editorial columns; especially those in areas with large Latino/Hispanic populations. My personal opinion is that this country has addicted itself to cheap labor. Being raised in a farming community in Central California, I learned early on the physical hardship of agricultural labor. ... When the doors to immigration opened up in the 1970's, these jobs were taken on a fulltime basis by "Green Cards" and "Illegals". So when summertime rolled around, there were virtually no jobs for the school kids in agriculture. Up until the Caesar Chavez and UFW began their strikes and marches, farm wages were essentially "slave wages". ...I use this example as a prelude as to what I think will happen to the roofing industry and other labor-intensive entities when these so-called "new" government regulations are imposed. These companies will survive and thrive. Yes, we will have to probably pay more for a roof to be put on or a home built, but look how much could be saved in taxes. The illegals and their families take out $12 billion dollars more than what they contribute to the system. As long as we are addicted to cheap labor, the magnet will still exist for illegals to invade this great nation of ours.

Posted by: Marco at 08/22/2007 08:18:05 PM

Listen all this talk about cheap workers dissapearing is ludacrist. When you talk about roofers having a shortfall of "cheap, slave labor" well maybe that is not a bad thing. I live in Austin Tx and there so many "fly by night" roofers here that are driving honest roofers that follow the law and only hire American workers and pay a living wage....They just can't compete when you underpay and over work your labor force. Americans get lower priced roofs but in the long run we all pay!... As for a labor shortage in Agriculture that too is nonsense. Of all the illegal in this country only 2% work in agriculture and we already have a guest workers program in place to address this issue. And besides if some of these roofers find themselves without a job they could always go into the ag. workforce, or is that a job that they won't do. Come on America wake up and lets do the right thig and not hire illegals and not support business that use them. In the long run our country will be stronger. Once we get our borders under control and we feel we need another guest workers progam then we will adress the issue then. Thanks

Posted by: Larry Bush at 08/22/2007 09:51:54 PM

It is a slap in the face to all Americans to ask our young men and women to possibly die in saving our country while serving in a foreign country and, meanwhile, give our country away to ILLEGAL aliens.

Posted by: anti-illegal alien. at 08/22/2007 10:31:28 PM

having had my home re-roofed by an american company, and not having taken the lowest bid, i was surprized that only non-english speaking workers were on my roof. on the coldest night of the year, my heater was booming and making the most awful sounds, two weeks after the new roof....the next day, the repairman told me that not only had my vents been covered over but...if i had not turned off the heater, my family could have died from carbonmonox. poisoning. ...not everyone that you can pick-up for day labor should have any job. i would rather pay more and live safer than run the risk that someone will take the money for the job and cost me my life....i personally have had a number of negative experiences with the illegals and beleive that no labor should be done by people that know nothing about it....i now tell any company that i plan to hire to do any type of work at my home, replacing windows, laying tile, carpet, etc, not to send non-english speaking persons. i refuse to break the law by paying companies to use this cheap labor.thank you for allowing my input, i am sure that it is not what you wanted to hear based on the very one-way slant to your article, but perhaps more americans are having experiences like those that i have had and they are as tired of hearing the woes and cries of business as i am.

Posted by: Michael Vilkin at 08/22/2007 11:11:47 PM

Mark Willen writes: "For example, roofers in some markets are paying more than $20 an hour because they have to compete with each other for competent workers willing to do this sometimes- unpleasant job (i..e in 100+ temperatures)." Sheesh, our farmers in Midwest work in "100+ temperatures" all the time. Pay market wages, and you will find workers. Here in San Diego Mexicans have driven wages in low wage jobs so low that people can not take that low wage job, and can not find a high wage job. Illegals disrupt market forces. They live in one apartment 10 people, just sleep there, their housing costs are low, and that is why they can afford to work for minimum wages. But a normal American, living in America, can not live on that income. It's not a free market system. It's absurd.

Posted by: Michael Vilkin at 08/22/2007 11:14:58 PM

Thousands of illegals are standing at the corners all over San Diego, waiting for occasional jobs. Millions of illegals are doing the same all over this country. Round 'em up and deport 'em all. Leave here a million or so, and give them temporary work visas. The rest - get the hell back to Mehiko. Elizabeth has no clue what she is talking about.

Posted by: GeorgeBlack at 08/22/2007 11:57:44 PM

This is a great opportunity to ask (interview) Dr Alan Greenspan, and request his analogy and point of view about Immigration Pros. and Cons., his word is worth a life of investments. Is a Euro the currency of 2008? I think the codependency of other countries to trust on America’s economy is shifting.

Posted by: kiakat at 08/23/2007 01:28:08 AM

Here's a thought. Give the option to any displaced employees in the construction, hotel, food service, farm industry, ect. to file a LEGAL business dba and be hired on a 1099 basis. Everybody wins. The employer still gets to pay directly without withholding, the employee gets more pay in his pocket and can work for less, Although he or she will have to assume responsibility for paying their own insurance, self employment tax (alternate FICA tax)social security tax Now you know, if you didn't what the SELF employment tax is-it's your contribution to social security. IRS will get their share via the required quarterly filing for self employed people and it will be more inconvenient for the employee and they won't qualify for unemployment BUT it will be better than being unemployed. With the savings in paperwork, CPA fees, employer quarterly filings, workman's compensation and unemployment contribution the employer will save as much if not MORE than hiring ILLEGALS. Displaced employees go back to work. Employers save without hiring ILLEGALS and it's ALL LEGAL>

Posted by: Recce1 at 08/23/2007 01:46:30 AM

I realize businesses are concerned over the upheaval that MAY be caused by obeying the law, but all too many businesses knowingly hire illegals to make more profits. Why we should be shedding tears for them is beyond me. Illegals by definition are criminals as well as the employers who hire them. However, we do have a need for legal immigrants. For years Canada has had a successful guest worker program, so why don't we hear more about it? Also during WWII the US had a guest worker program, but it was eliminated after the war by the unions buying our politicians.The issues aren’t that difficult to understand. Sovereign nations have a duty to protect their borders and citizens. The problems we’re seeing are due to our government leaders not understanding their constitutional duties or being bought by corporations, therefore delaying action for decades, making the logical solution, the deportation of all illegal immigrants more difficult and painful. Also, it’s time to change the law about anchor babies such that no children born of illegal immigrants in the US are to be considered US citizens. Most foreign countries follow that rule. Those who appeal to compassion really are those who either favor open borders or who want cheap labor. It’s that simple ... Also, if our leaders, including the president, are unwilling or incapable of enforcing current laws with regard to stopping illegal immigration, then perhaps they should be impeached.By the way, perhaps we should adopt the immigration laws of Mexico. No doubt the senior editor at Kiplinger, Mark Willen, has the recourses to look them up. I’d love to see an article on Mexico’s immigration laws. But then that would take cojones and a willingness to be politically incorrect.

Posted by: Victoria at 08/23/2007 08:13:24 AM

When illegal immigrants are hired to a job, the consequences are severe to society. This is why America has laws and why they are called "illegal" immigrants. Everyday I see illegal immigrants lining up in several different areas throughout New York City waiting for business owners or home owners to come outside and give them work. Finally there will be stricter laws in the USA which will allow American Citizens, both born here and those that migrated here, to obtain jobs and get out of poverty! Isnt it enough that our big companies are setting up shop over seas and giving our jobs away? We need to perserve our country for those who abide by the law! Not for those that are already commiting a crime by being here illegally!

Posted by: Kirk Kaefer at 08/23/2007 03:28:40 PM

It sounds good too me a least Ice is doing there job unlike a lot of sanctuary Cities that don't enforce the laws IE jersey City.As far as workers force the people on Welfare too take there jobs. I hope the ACLU does'nt get mad that wwere trying too make people work for there money instead of living off the tax payers

Posted by: Manny at 08/23/2007 03:46:45 PM

Illegal immigration is an issue that requires fixing but in due process. A rapid correction to the illegal issue will be absorb by the mass majority of the public with some frustration and inconvenience due to the associated higher costs and delays in service. We will first and soon hear from those in limit income such as the disabled and elderly. Any person that is currently on a fixed income and is barely making it will need to make a rapid and necessary adjustment to their budget.... The next voice will be of the populace as the complaint of higher municipal charges for services and the higher taxes being assessed. Most illegals live in apartments but guess who pays the taxes for the apartments (if you guessed rent, you are a very smart). Less property and sales taxes coming into the cities means fewer services at higher charges to its citizens. Surprise! Soon to follow will be complaints for long delays and inferior workmanship (as the replacements are possibly trained or hired) in completing projects, construction, landscape, housekeeping, etc. Let’s fix illegal immigration, but let’s do it in the proper manner. Let’s be kind to ourselves and those that might not be able to adjust rapidly. Think.

Posted by: Chipster at 08/24/2007 12:01:12 PM

I think the article is off base. Marginal businesses relying on immigrant labor should fail. We need to purge the work force of this people and restrict them from our nation. They are illegal, a pox on our economy.

Posted by: lorrie at 08/26/2007 03:08:47 PM

Why do you hear the same argument every time this issue comes up? I am so tired of hearing about how all these American businesses will suffer if we crack down on illegals in this country. The truth is that these businesses would have nothing to worry about if they had not hired illegals in the first place. As someone else posted, I am also outraged that our tax dollars are being used for illegals in this country, sure we may have to suffer a little in the beginning, before this problem is fixed, but the problem needs to be fixed.Our government needs to stand up and secure our borders. Our Country has many freedoms and if they want to be in America, work in America, they should have to follow all the procedures to become an American. It is not a right that anyone from any Country should be able to waltz in here and live.

Posted by: MASC at 08/26/2007 03:57:08 PM

This Nation of yours, has make us illegal (new status perhaps), with that we manage to work and pay our taxes every day and that includes social services. Can you IMAGINE a USA without 20,000,000 Labors (hardly at minimum wage)? PSD: Social Security Database contain 100 Million corrupted records, or 100 M jobs without collecting benefits from.

Posted by: Silverwing at 08/27/2007 11:23:25 AM

The implications of this article are utter nonsense. The criminal employer (of illegal workers) charges for goods and services based on whatever the market will bear, just like the honest employer does. The only difference is the greater profit margin of the cheater. There is no industry in the USA dependent on illegal immigrants. There is, however, no shortage of vocal businesspersons addicted to ill-gotten gains.

Posted by: Terry at 08/28/2007 03:37:27 PM

The ignorance of some on this issue is astounding. To say that we do not need the labor pool is utter nonsense. We have crops going to waste in fields. Our grocery prices will increase at least by some 30% alone. Not counting every other type of service, roofs on houses, Sheetrock, etc. With the pressure of constant competition from abroad and us paying more for labor and wanting more and more leisure time, it is a joke to believe there is an American for every job and that we can still keep the jobs here. This is a real problem with a difficult solution. It is not as simple as send them all home.

Posted by: Sidney DeSouza at 08/28/2007 05:48:11 PM

In my opinion not only the labor shortage will affect the economy but the default in mortgage, car and credit cards payments. The illegal immigrants incurred considerable and I believe that it will be the biggest blow out in our economy when these people start going back to their countries and leaving these debts behind.

Posted by: william at 09/17/2007 02:49:50 PM

Illegal immigrants are hurting the country. They should all be deported.

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